Dapol Collett coaches at Hatton's.

[trkilliman]

I get a weekly email from Hatton's and the most recent shows Dapol Colletts's including the full brake at a couple of pounds over £20.  I don't need any more but what a bargain when compared to the cost of Farish stuff these days. Yes, Farish offerings are more finely detailed but are double the cost or thereabouts.  I can understand why the NGS wagon kits are so popular and a great benefit of membership.

[longbow]

The Collett full brake was tooled some years ago for the NGS so no doubt Dapol are able to sell it for much less than a completely new model.

[Bob G]

The Collett full brakes were originally made by Dapol for the NGS. After so many years, the contract would have stated that Dapol were free to make their own and sell them to a wider audience.
If the NGS didnt press sales on these hard enough, we would have remaining stock (which we do in some liveries).

Its the same with the Farish inspection saloon and the Queen Mary brake. However, the NGS versions of the inspection saloon and QM brake are a lot cheaper than the Farish versions, even though they seemed expensive at the time. Ha! we said. Twenty quid for a coach, or a brake van? Who would pay that!!!

BTW, The Collett coaches are showing their age now, without flush windows, for example. That's another reason why they are so cheap. Same with the B set coaches and Autocoach. Very early (2005 ish) designs.

Bob

[NeMo]

BTW, The Collett coaches are showing their age now, without flush windows, for example. That's another reason why they are so cheap. Same with the B set coaches and Autocoach. Very early (2005 ish) designs.

While that's true, it's not like they're as bad as old Farish Mk1s or something. These are still very nice coaches, which detail up nicely if you want (e.g., light bars) and with a bit of weathering very much look the part. The full brake is almost an essential if you're modelling 40s-60s milk trains, so a perfect pick if you want just one of them to build a short but realistic train around.

Its the same with the Farish inspection saloon and the Queen Mary brake. However, the NGS versions of the inspection saloon and QM brake are a lot cheaper than the Farish versions, even though they seemed expensive at the time. Ha! we said. Twenty quid for a coach, or a brake van? Who would pay that!!!

Definitely agree here, and this will be doubly-so for the upcoming Hunslet. The specification on the Hunslet is way above anything from Farish if you compare them with the 03 or 08 shunters. For example: stay-alive capacitor and lights -- it's a really cool piece of kit. Delayed somewhat for reasons that have been covered in the NGS Newsletter, but only a few months away now, all else being equal! And for £82, a snip!

Cheers, NeMo

[Karhedron]

The price for the Collett full brakes is very good and (as others have noted), this is a recent coach tooled to modern standards. If I hadn't bought the full set of colours from the NGS 5 years ago, I would have been tempted.

The full brake is almost an essential if you're modelling 40s-60s milk trains, so a perfect pick if you want just one of them to build a short but realistic train around.

Yes, they do look very smart at the end of a rake of milk tankers. I will post one of mine at Chew Magna later.

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[Chris Morris]

Yes, they do look very smart at the end of a rake of milk tankers. I will post one of mine at Chew Magna later.

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Or somewhere in the middle...

[tunneroner61]

If the NGS didnt press sales on these hard enough, we would have remaining stock (which we do in some liveries)

Just looked at the NGS shop - there's no Collett Full Brakes listed so must have sold out completely!!!

[Bob G]

If the NGS didnt press sales on these hard enough, we would have remaining stock (which we do in some liveries)

Just looked at the NGS shop - there's no Collett Full Brakes listed so must have sold out completely!!!

You are right - they have sold out completely. The Thompson full brakes are still available from the NGS though. I must have been confused.
I paid £24 for the Collett brakes in 2015, so at £22.91 four years on, that's almost a steal. The Thompsons are still £28 but when Farish get to produce the Thompson coaches they will cost a fortune (based on the Hawkesworth price rises).

Here is a question for Matt @Karhedron . Dapol are producing a BR Chocolate and Cream version of the K41 full brake (and the other Collett coaches as well). I had thought the only stock that got Chocolate and Cream was BR Mk 1 stock for express passenger duties post 1956? Did Collett stock also get this livery or is it fictional? I note the Farish Hawksworths have only been produced in WR Choc/Cream, BR(W) carmine/cream, and BR maroon. Is this Dapol at its enterprising best?

Bob

[Paddy]

BTW, The Collett coaches are showing their age now, without flush windows, for example. That's another reason why they are so cheap. Same with the B set coaches and Autocoach. Very early (2005 ish) designs.

Bob

Hi Bob ( @Bob G )

Hatton's review of these coaches said they have flush glazing.  Have they been upgraded for this release?

Paddy

[Bob G]

BTW, The Collett coaches are showing their age now, without flush windows, for example. That's another reason why they are so cheap. Same with the B set coaches and Autocoach. Very early (2005 ish) designs.

Bob

Hi Bob ( @Bob G )

Hatton's review of these coaches said they have flush glazing.  Have they been upgraded for this release?

Paddy

Take a look on the hattons website.
Setting aside the K41 full brake, which is a later design, the coaches don't look any different to me. They are like the old minitrix and Lima coaches - flush on the inside!
Bob

[Newportnobby]

If the NGS didnt press sales on these hard enough, we would have remaining stock (which we do in some liveries)

Just looked at the NGS shop - there's no Collett Full Brakes listed so must have sold out completely!!!

You are right - they have sold out completely. The Thompson full brakes are still available from the NGS though. I must have been confused.
I paid £24 for the Collett brakes in 2015, so at £22.91 four years on, that's almost a steal. The Thompsons are still £28 but when Farish get to produce the Thompson coaches they will cost a fortune (based on the Hawkesworth price rises).

Even on the Dapol site the full whack is £26.95 which compares very well. I have the original release from the NGS but may try to find this alternative running number at the Preston Show this weekend.........
https://www.dapol.co.uk/shop/n-gauge/coaches-amp-carriages/collett-coaches/2P-000-320-N-Gauge-Collett-Coach-BR-Maroon-Full-Brake-W110W

[Karhedron]

Here is a question for Matt @Karhedron . Dapol are producing a BR Chocolate and Cream version of the K41 full brake (and the other Collett coaches as well). I had thought the only stock that got Chocolate and Cream was BR Mk 1 stock for express passenger duties post 1956? Did Collett stock also get this livery or is it fictional? I note the Farish Hawksworths have only been produced in WR Choc/Cream, BR(W) carmine/cream, and BR maroon. Is this Dapol at its enterprising best?

No, that is authentic GWR-era chocolate and cream livery. BR revived it for a handful of express Mk1s in the 50s but during the pre-nationalisation period, most GWR coaches were painted in this livery. Here is a similar vehicle is new in the late 20s / early 30s.



Pretty much the same as the Dapol (and earlier NGS) offering.

[Karhedron]

Is this Dapol at its enterprising best?

Although I have spotted one issue. Dapol have changed some of the running numbers from the ones produced for the NGS  but have not altered the route branding to suit.

This is noticable on the Crimson and Cream version which is branded as "Paddington and Camarthen". This branding was specific to W152 as the NGS produced. Dapol have renumbered it as W196 but left the branding. My records do not show that W196 had any branding. If it did, I doubt it would have been the same as W152. 

[Bob G]

Hi Matt

What you said sounds ok, but why do they think they are selling these as BR versions then?


2P-000-058 Collett corridor composite 7032 in GWR chocolate and cream


2P-000-080 Collett corridor composite W7019 in BR chocolate and cream


2P-000-310 Collett full brake 101 in GWR chocolate and cream


2P-000-340 Collett full brake W195 in BR chocolate and cream

What are they up to?
Bob

[Karhedron]

I note the Farish Hawksworths have only been produced in WR Choc/Cream, BR(W) carmine/cream, and BR maroon.

Some hawksworth coaches were built before nationalisation and received authentic GWR choc and cream which farish have accurately reproduced.