Dapol Collett coaches at Hatton's.

[Paddy]

Personally, I have no problem either @Bingley Hall.  For example, the yellow Fyffes banana vans are a staple of all scales and are very popular.  Rule 1 certainly applies on HOLLERTON JUNCTION.

 

Paddy

[Karhedron]

I have also wondered about the colour of the set used by City of Truro on its timetabled runs down the DN&SR to Southampton in the late 1950s. This pic from about 1957 appears to be crimson/cream but I suppose it could have been chocolate/cream, perhaps?

Just picking this one up again. I have managed to find a colour picture of Winchester Chesil in 1957 (the year CoT returned to service). Not City of Truro unfortunately but 3212 on a similar working. The stock is crimson and cream. I don't know if these were exactly the same coaches CoT hauled but they are likely to have been from the same pool. Based on this, I would say that the stock in your original post is very probably crimson and cream.

[Bob G]

Brilliant @Karhedron . Some font of knowledge you are after all
I'm glad some of us do try to keep things historically correct - or at least historically plausible.

I don't even know what a Foobie is. If it is anything like "happy go lucky" that is definitely not me
You heard it here first.

Best regards
Bob

[ten0G]

Dapol ... have not altered the route branding to suit.

This is noticable on the Crimson and Cream version which is branded as "Paddington and Camarthen". This branding was specific to W152 as the NGS produced. Dapol have renumbered it as W196 but left the branding. My records do not show that W196 had any branding. If it did, I doubt it would have been the same as W152. 

Hi Matt (@Karhedron),

Do you know from your records if the wording "PARCELS TRAIN BRAKE VAN" was also only applied to selective K41s by BR, or does this not need removing from W196 please?

[Karhedron]

I am pretty sure that "PARCELS TRAIN BRAKE VAN" was a standard branding applied by both GWR and later BR(W) to many GWR-built full brake coaches. I don't have records for W196 so unless you find a photograph I would be inclined to leave it as many (although not all) BGs carried it. It is only the "Paddington and Camarthen" branding that is an issue as that was specific to W152.

Occasionally you could find pairs of vehicles with matching brandings. This would normally happen so one vehicle could work the Up service while the other was working the Down service. We could be generous and imagine W196 was such a vehicle. My trawls through the GWS archives have failed to find anything on this particular vehicle so I suppose you could say that the absence of evidence means no one can prove Dapol wrong. 

[ten0G]

I am pretty sure that "PARCELS TRAIN BRAKE VAN" was a standard branding applied by both GWR and later BR(W) to many GWR-built full brake coaches. I don't have records for W196 so unless you find a photograph I would be inclined to leave it as many (although not all) BGs carried it. It is only the "Paddington and Camarthen" branding that is an issue as that was specific to W152.

Occasionally you could find pairs of vehicles with matching brandings. This would normally happen so one vehicle could work the Up service while the other was working the Down service. We could be generous and imagine W196 was such a vehicle. My trawls through the GWS archives have failed to find anything on this particular vehicle so I suppose you could say that the absence of evidence means no one can prove Dapol wrong. 

Thanks Matt, that's very much appreciated.  Having given the matter some thought, it seems there are three options I could choose. 

In the short term, I'll be quite happy to just remove the route branding. 

However, In the longer term, I could consider rebranding entirely and consider Kensington as the destination:

I did suggest W142 in crimson and cream which was branded for the Penzance to Kensington milk train but the NGS felt that might be a little restrictive.

This would of course mean employing Rule 1 and I could choose a West Wales source, or even no source at all, on the basis that the absence of evidence means no one can prove Dapol right.   

More seriously, having looked at the photo of K41 147 in GW livery, I wonder if it's likely that this vehicle was re-liveried in blood 'n' custard with the same route branding shown because again this would add to the impression of a West Wales location. 

We now have some photos of the livery samples for the K41s (reposted with Ben's kind permission).

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I don't think the vehicle pairs idea would suit my intended operating plans, but I'll keep it mind thanks. 

I'm interested in another of the Dapol releases, 2P-000-340 in BR chocolate and cream which appears to have two route brandings  which I can't read clearly but I think they are "Paddington & Penzance" and "Paddington & Chester."  If not a fictitious branding, does this imply Penzance - Chester via Paddington?  Did you encounter anything of the kind in your research in BR days?  If so, that maybe worth considering also for a Rule 1 case. 

Thanks again, anyway.  I do wonder how Dapol come up with these ideas! 

[Karhedron]

W147 would most likely have received Blood and Custard livery. Whether it retained that route branding I do not know. The only record I have for that coach is a photo dated 1947 which also shows the post-war Hawksworth livery on which that particular model was based.

Regarding the "Paddington & Penzance" and "Paddington & Chester" vehicle, I am not sure how that was intended to operate. You would probably need to check the relevant WR carriage working plans to see how it was used.