Train crash between Andover & Salisbury

Trainfish · October 31, 2021, 08:16:29 PM

Just been reported. Not far from me. Hope it's not too serious

EDIT: Looks to be more IN Salisbury as opposed to between there and Andover. Adjacent to London Road, a road I know well. Not a fast line as it isn't too far from the station.

crewearpley40 · October 31, 2021, 08:32:30 PM

Bbc website says between salisbury and grateley plus https://news.sky.com/story/two-trains-crash-between-andover-and-salisbury-with-emergency-services-at-the-scene-12456655

gc4946 · October 31, 2021, 08:39:35 PM

Nature of incident, from PoliticsForAll Twitter feed, accessed via railforums.co.uk
Passenger train (1F30) struck an object in Fisherton Tunnel, Salisbury and derailed, then struck by another passenger train (1L53), which also derailed
UPDATE at 21.23: Photos of incident tweeted on PoliticsForAll

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI

Tweet from Philip Haigh from Network Rail's press statement

"GWR 1708 Portsmouth-Bristol struck object, derailed as it approached Salisbury. Derailment knocked out signalling. SWR 1720 London-Honiton hit Bristol train. Reports of injuries."

https://twitter.com/philatrail/status/1454909476948033536?s=21

crewearpley40 · October 31, 2021, 08:43:52 PM

Feel for those involved. 1708 portsmouth to bristol, 1720 waterloo honiton. Realtime trains reports issues with lineside vegetation..weather possibly involved

Trainfish · October 31, 2021, 08:56:53 PM

Live video of response here

guest311 · October 31, 2021, 09:02:58 PM

sorry, don't do faceache, so seems I'll have to wait for ITV news,
which of course I have to pay the BBC to watch

Trainfish · October 31, 2021, 11:05:16 PM

From Sky News:
Network Rail says a carriage derailed after hitting an object as it approached Salisbury station, and another train then collided with it. A number of people have been injured after two trains collided in a "major incident" near Salisbury station.
One carriage derailed at Fisherton Tunnel shortly before 7pm on Sunday, and another service crashed into it. All those on board have been evacuated.
One of the train drivers was trapped in his cab but has since been freed and taken to hospital. He is not seriously injured, the PA news agency reported.
A "number" of people were injured but no one died, British Transport Police said. Earlier, PA said "up to a dozen" had been hurt.
Network Rail said the rear carriage of the 17.08 Great Western Railway service from Portsmouth Harbour to Bristol Temple Meads "derailed after striking an object on its approach to Salisbury station".
It added: "The derailment knocked out all of the signalling in the area. Subsequently, the 17.20 South Western Railway service from London Waterloo to Honiton then collided with the Bristol train.

GrahamB · November 01, 2021, 08:21:20 AM

No fatalities thankfully.

Not sure about the comment that the derailment "knocked out all the signalling". If that was the case I would expect everything go back to danger but I can't get Clapham out of my head.

My thoughts are with everyone on the train and the Signaller on duty. No-one wants this on their watch.

njee20 · November 01, 2021, 09:06:00 AM

The BBC were reporting that the second train struck the rear of the derailed one. I agree I gave short shrift to the comments about "knocking out the signalling", assuming it was just dumbed-down reporting, but if that is the case then yes, it's concerningly close to Clapham.

The Q · November 02, 2021, 08:19:38 AM

Latest reports..
Driver of Second train has "Life changing Injuries"
No object found to have been hit...
Second train did hit first from behind, but was on the parallel second track through tunnel as they were approaching Salisbury Station going into different platforms.
The first train is definitely off the rails ..

PS the Tunnel is in Fisherton, which these days, you won't spot the join between Fisherton and Salisbury..

Train Waiting · November 02, 2021, 09:02:34 AM

Thank you for this. It is a worrying development concerning the driver.

I had not realised the trains were on parallel tracks in the tunnel. The photographs available suggest they converged on the Down line at the junction, immediately east of the tunnel mouth.

I await with interest the initial notification on the RAIB's website.

In the meantime my thoughts are with the driver and their family, and the other railway people involved.

Thanks again and best wishes.

John

GrahamB · November 02, 2021, 11:48:35 AM

Quote from: The Q on November 02, 2021, 08:19:38 AM
Latest reports..
Driver of Second train has "Life changing Injuries"
No object found to have been hit...
Second train did hit first from behind, but was on the parallel second track through tunnel as they were approaching Salisbury Station going into different platforms.
The first train is definitely off the rails ..

PS the Tunnel is in Fisherton, which these days, you won't spot the join between Fisherton and Salisbury..

This demonstrates why it's better to wait for the report. From what I can see the tracks involved are not bi-directionally signalled.

Coyote · November 02, 2021, 12:24:33 PM

It's a standard double track junction, both trains were heading towards 43 signal via 31 or 37 signals

chrism · November 02, 2021, 12:54:35 PM

Quote from: GrahamB on November 02, 2021, 11:48:35 AM
Quote from: The Q on November 02, 2021, 08:19:38 AM
Latest reports..
Driver of Second train has "Life changing Injuries"
No object found to have been hit...
Second train did hit first from behind, but was on the parallel second track through tunnel as they were approaching Salisbury Station going into different platforms.
The first train is definitely off the rails ..

PS the Tunnel is in Fisherton, which these days, you won't spot the join between Fisherton and Salisbury..

This demonstrates why it's better to wait for the report. From what I can see the tracks involved are not bi-directionally signalled.

Looking on Google Maps I can't see any way of getting a train from London across from the LH line to the RH line from at least as far back as Andover, which would seem to be a very long way to be running on the RH of only two tracks.

I fear they will be investigating either a signalling error or fault (*), or a driver error - which, surely, should have been stopped by the ATC on the signals protecting the junction?

(*) Surely the interlocking, if working correctly, should have prevented the signals being cleared for both the Southampton and London lines at the same time?

davidinyork · November 02, 2021, 01:44:15 PM

Whatever the cause, those two vehicles pictured above are almost certain to be write-offs - not clear from pictures online whether the remaining half of the GWR one and the other 2 vehicles of the SWR one have been significantly damaged.

158/159 bodyshells are aluminium so would be difficult and expensive to weld-repair, even if there was no distortion.

Believe there is one spare bodyshell (built as a spare when the units were manufactured) stored at Long Marston.

Train crash between Andover & Salisbury

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