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Re: SHAPEWAYS PRICE HIKE ON THE 30TH
« Reply #120 on: April 24, 2019, 10:39:55 AM »
I looked on the Shapeways  page on Sunday and found G W R Railcar number 18 priced at £30-25  just asked my son if he would buy it in advance of Fatherís Day we found it and the price has now gone up to £61-75 so thatís put paid to that idea ,  that is just extortion going up that much in less than a week .
SNOWWOLFLAIR  I think your 3D printer is going to work overtime and you will be going into the 3D printing business.
Bob Tidbury


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I think you are looking at the 1/87 scale version. The N one is still £30.25.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/787TPPHSW/o-148fs-gwr-railcar-no18?optionId=66712579&li=marketplace
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Re: SHAPEWAYS PRICE HIKE ON THE 30TH
« Reply #121 on: April 24, 2019, 01:26:31 PM »
Hi All,

I am going to avoid the whats, when, where, whys side of things purely because its shapeways choice to up the costs and really not to much I personally can do about it!

But I have purchased and Anycubic resin printer so I can run off what I want as there are numerous things I want some of which aren't currently available at all. My thought been and I have already approached one guys off shapeways to ask "Would you be willing to sell me the design so I can print it off at home for personal use?".

This may be a way to get round things for some people as has been stated some of you design and some of us have printers (which is no doubt one of the issues shapeways is facing). Potentially @Tank it may be an idea on the 3D printing section to have a sub section for those who are willing to sell the designs for personal use or to offer their printing facilities for use.

Just a thought as there seems a good few of us on here that have the ability to design (not me) or have a printer that maybe could assist in getting them items that cant be found made up for them.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2019, 01:27:55 PM by acko22 »

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Re: SHAPEWAYS PRICE HIKE ON THE 30TH
« Reply #122 on: April 24, 2019, 01:35:13 PM »
Hi All,

I am going to avoid the whats, when, where, whys side of things purely because its shapeways choice to up the costs and really not to much I personally can do about it!

But I have purchased and Anycubic resin printer so I can run off what I want as there are numerous things I want some of which aren't currently available at all. My thought been and I have already approached one guys off shapeways to ask "Would you be willing to sell me the design so I can print it off at home for personal use?".

This may be a way to get round things for some people as has been stated some of you design and some of us have printers (which is no doubt one of the issues shapeways is facing). Potentially @Tank it may be an idea on the 3D printing section to have a sub section for those who are willing to sell the designs for personal use or to offer their printing facilities for use.

Just a thought as there seems a good few of us on here that have the ability to design (not me) or have a printer that maybe could assist in getting them items that cant be found made up for them.

Very good idea. :thumbsup:

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Re: SHAPEWAYS PRICE HIKE ON THE 30TH
« Reply #123 on: April 24, 2019, 02:49:29 PM »
Yes Thank you for pointing out my senior moment all sorted now .
I will modify  the original post to avoid any problems .
Bob Tidbury
« Last Edit: April 24, 2019, 02:54:06 PM by Bob Tidbury »

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Re: SHAPEWAYS PRICE HIKE ON THE 30TH
« Reply #124 on: April 24, 2019, 07:46:49 PM »
For what its worth I've always considered Chris Ward's 3D printing was far better quality than Shapeways.

Haven't spoken to him for a while, the last time I did he was retiring and selling his business. However it now transpires that Chris has sold to Tim @ Chase 3D Ltd.

So on behalf of NGF I took the liberty of contacting Tim and this is the reply I got back:


Good morning Dave,

Many thanks for your e-mail; it's good to hear from you.

Thanks too for offering to give the business a mention on the N-gauge forum.
That would be very welcome, although N-gauge is possibly one of my
less-supported sectors up to now.

Customers who can produce their own STLs are ideal for me right now as I
don't have time to do any design work myself and it is difficult to find
anyone who will undertake such work both at an affordable price and to a
consistent standard. Sadly, Tony Massey, who has done a lot of design work
for my customers over the past three years, passed away early this year and
that has been a tremendous loss.

Pricing is indeed a tricky matter. I still use a modified version of Chris's
pricing based on three bands of material volume and applying reducing levels
of markups in proportion to the amount of material used and the printing
time. While this works well for some items, it sometimes comes in a bit high
(and from my point of view, sometimes too low!) so it is I think near
impossible to come up with a one size that fits all solution. At the same
time, customer expectations differ widely, so on the same day I can have
customers say that a quote is very reasonable (when I thought it a bit
high), or react as if I was caught picking their pocket when I have actually
given them a very low figure. In some cases I never hear again from a
previously loyal customer after sending out what was a perfectly fair quote.
I do now have three years of production data automatically logged on the
printer, so if I get a quiet time I can perhaps do some analysis and work
out an alternative pricing approach. Whatever I do, I am sure it will never
please everyone!

Given its size, N-gauge at least should be one of the less controversial
scales from a pricing point of view.

I get the impression that a lot of us with small businesses in this field
can be working in isolation, even when we are part of a larger production
chain, so it is always useful to make contact with other manufacturers and
find out how our services can complement each other.

Kind regards,

Tim Evans

Chase 3D Ltd.
Unit 1.15 Cannock Chase Enterprise Centre,
Walkers Rise, Rugeley Road, Hednesford, Staffs., WS12 0QU.
E-mail: chase3d.ltd@virginmedia.com
Tel: 07806 818465

Hope that this can be of any help to members here who do not wish to purchase a 3D printer!

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Re: SHAPEWAYS PRICE HIKE ON THE 30TH
« Reply #125 on: May 17, 2020, 04:40:49 PM »
A couple of weeks ago I ordered a print from Shapeways and their basic shipping was £5.63 which has been consistent for a while now. I just went to place a new order and their basic shipping is now £9.64.... When the shipping is nearly as much as the cost of the print I'll either have to start looking elsewhere or just wait until there's enough of interest to put in a bigger order to make the postage more palatable.
I'll have a route around by 'to build' pile for something else.

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Re: SHAPEWAYS PRICE HIKE ON THE 30TH
« Reply #126 on: May 17, 2020, 04:45:15 PM »
Its something to do with restricted shipping services during Covid 19 and DHL withdrawing their economy shipping option to contract customers.  Hopefully it wont be permanent.

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Re: SHAPEWAYS PRICE HIKE ON THE 30TH
« Reply #127 on: June 29, 2020, 10:12:39 AM »
I wonder how long Shapeways can keep going as they are becoming more and more expensive for both print and postage whilst the tech and consequently quality is falling way behind what you can print at home.
Historically I've had to wait a while for orders to arrive but have been happy to pay for the cheapest, slowest postal option so on Saturday at 9.05pm I placed an order for 3 items (only because the designers have no plans to make them available elsewhere) with the cheap post option and at 9.44am today was advised they had been dispatched!
Although cracking service it says to me that if they can turn around an order in a fraction over 48 hours when the advised dispatch day would be 15th July they are struggling for business.

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Re: SHAPEWAYS PRICE HIKE ON THE 30TH
« Reply #128 on: June 29, 2020, 01:09:26 PM »
I am inclined to agree that they clearly do not have much work on, and that their pricing for printing and shipping makes them mostly unattractive. I have made most of my Shapeways shop files available for free download (from the Shapeways site)  so people can print or modify them at home. Grouping items to order helps offset the shipping cost but the base pricing is such that printing almost any of the coaches in my shop would be far, far cheaper on a home resin machine, and the savings would soon pay for the cost of the machine.
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Re: SHAPEWAYS PRICE HIKE ON THE 30TH
« Reply #129 on: June 29, 2020, 01:15:07 PM »
I wonder how long Shapeways can keep going as they are becoming more and more expensive for both print and postage whilst the tech and consequently quality is falling way behind what you can print at home.
Historically I've had to wait a while for orders to arrive but have been happy to pay for the cheapest, slowest postal option so on Saturday at 9.05pm I placed an order for 3 items (only because the designers have no plans to make them available elsewhere) with the cheap post option and at 9.44am today was advised they had been dispatched!
Although cracking service it says to me that if they can turn around an order in a fraction over 48 hours when the advised dispatch day would be 15th July they are struggling for business.

what material?  and what size?  My guess is you got lucky and the parts fitted in a hole in a bigger print batch.

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Re: SHAPEWAYS PRICE HIKE ON THE 30TH
« Reply #130 on: June 29, 2020, 01:32:50 PM »
what material?  and what size?  My guess is you got lucky and the parts fitted in a hole in a bigger print batch.
Smoothest fine detail, coach, loco and wagon. Don't think it was luck, an order last month only took a couple of days longer. Following the prints status after ordering they moved to production within 12 hours.
Technology has left them behind.

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Re: SHAPEWAYS PRICE HIKE ON THE 30TH
« Reply #131 on: June 29, 2020, 01:53:51 PM »
I understand your gripe, but in the absence of an alternative market place for designers to sell their designs (as no one has viewed it as profitable to compete yet) what is the alternative. 

I am selling between 2-4 models a week through the Shapeways shop and whilst I wont get rich the markup I make pays for the prototyping cost of my new models.  Particularly as my buyers are worldwide, even with my own ability to print I would not be able to satisfy their need even if they knew about my designs in the first place.  The Shapeways shop is irreplaceable at the moment.

As far as prototyping I print on my own printer.

Remember there is a price for the designer and a price for the customer which has a markup earned by the designer.

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Re: SHAPEWAYS PRICE HIKE ON THE 30TH
« Reply #132 on: June 29, 2020, 02:08:29 PM »
I understand your gripe, but in the absence of an alternative market place for designers to sell their designs (as no one has viewed it as profitable to compete yet) what is the alternative. 

I am selling between 2-4 models a week through the Shapeways shop and whilst I wont get rich the markup I make pays for the prototyping cost of my new models.  Particularly as my buyers are worldwide, even with my own ability to print I would not be able to satisfy their need even if they knew about my designs in the first place.  The Shapeways shop is irreplaceable at the moment.

As far as prototyping I print on my own printer.

Remember there is a price for the designer and a price for the customer which has a markup earned by the designer.
I'm not disagreeing with you on any of your points other than Shapeways have been left behind when it comes to tech.
I have received numerous prints from peoples home printers using the latest resins with very little if any layering, the quality is simply stunning but the best you can get from Shapeways is their smoothest fine detail plastic which still requires hours of sanding etc to lose the print lines whilst remaining very brittle.
I know there is currently very little alternative which is the issue. If Shapeways want to remain at the forefront of 3D printing they need to move to these new printing techniques. IMHO they are resting on their laurels being the only worldwide option so aren't bothering to move with the times.

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Re: SHAPEWAYS PRICE HIKE ON THE 30TH
« Reply #133 on: June 29, 2020, 02:24:24 PM »
Yes but home printers giving this type of output are almost always UV resin types (like the one I have) and the support structure needs to be removed and the damaged face where it was attached fixed.

From this point of view it is alternative technology not better.

However there are better technologies and if you pay 50 times more you can already get prints that take 50 times longer to print have 50 times the number of layers and are as smooth as a babies b**m.  They metal sinter gas turbine blades this way.  Its all to do with you get what you pay for.

Also if you have an employee of Shapeways manage your print you have to pay for it, a cost which a print from another modeller does not include, nor an amortising of the cost of their machine.

i.e. my machine cost me £1400, I have run about 250 print runs so far so every print I have done has cost me £5.60 before I count the cost of the resin and electricity, and I have certainly not factored in my time.


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Re: SHAPEWAYS PRICE HIKE ON THE 30TH
« Reply #134 on: June 29, 2020, 02:31:43 PM »
As a consumer who is unlikely ever to want more than half a dozen printed items in a year it would make no sense to buy my own printer and learn how to use it. I would like to buy better quality prints than Shapeways supply and of course would like to pay less. The fact there isn't a rival service (that I'm aware of) suggests to me that Shapeways aren't milking the market that much.

 

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