The Next R-T-R Complete Train ?

[joe cassidy]

So we've had :

          - a complete diesel-hauled train from Farish (Blue Pullman)
          - a complete electric-hauled train from Hornby/Arnold (Brighton Belle).

It must now be time for a complete steam-hauled train to be launched.

I suggest the 'Coronation Scot', hauled by a streamlined Coronation Scot in blue livery with matching coaches.

I'd shell out £250 for that !

Best regards,


Joe

[austinbob]

How about an 8 coach Pullman with a nice southern Pacific.

[alibuchan]

How about a pendolino for us modern image modellers out there!

Go and have a pledge if you can help us.

Alistair

[ChrisWV10]

Does a 14 xx and autocoach not count? 

C.

[austinbob]

Does a 14 xx and autocoach not count? 

C.

Chris

It certainly does count and we can already get that from Dapol.

[Roy L S]

So we've had :

          - a complete diesel-hauled train from Farish (Blue Pullman)
          - a complete electric-hauled train from Hornby/Arnold (Brighton Belle).

It must now be time for a complete steam-hauled train to be launched.

I suggest the 'Coronation Scot', hauled by a streamlined Coronation Scot in blue livery with matching coaches.

I'd shell out £250 for that !

Best regards,


Joe

Hi Joe

The idea of "book sets" or "Train packs" is already with us. Farish are due to release a "Cumbrian Mountain Express" at a very competitive price plus a few others, and Dapol released the B17 with "Blood & Custard" Gresleys (I have one) a few years back (just one Dapol example).

I very much doubt there is a large enough Market for a streamlined Coronation and rake of matching coaches, the timescale during which it operated is too restrictive, and I very much doubt enough "Rule 1" buyers to cover the shortfall. Even were there demand, judging by the price of the most recently announced "Birdcage" coaches I suspect the total price of such a set would be way north of £250.

Regards

Roy

[joe cassidy]

OK - hats off to Dapol for being ahead of the game with the 14xx and autotrailer.

I still think there's an opportunity for a more ambitious complete steam train.

The Coronation Scot must have the biggest chance of success because :

1) the streamlined Stanier pacific is more aesthetically pleasing than the Gresley A4 and the "Spam Can"

2) the coaches and the loco are in the same livery (like the Blue Pullman/Brighton Belle)

Best regards,


Joe

[Agrippa]

Don't forget the GF DMUs.

This is getting like what did the Romans ever do for us.............

[Stevie DC]

OK - hats off to Dapol for being ahead of the game with the 14xx and autotrailer.

I still think there's an opportunity for a more ambitious complete steam train.

The Coronation Scot must have the biggest chance of success because :

1) the streamlined Stanier pacific is more aesthetically pleasing than the Gresley A4 and the "Spam Can"

2) the coaches and the loco are in the same livery (like the Blue Pullman/Brighton Belle)

Best regards,


Joe

I wouldn't agree that the Stanier streamlined pacific is more aesthetically pleasing than an A4 but I do agree that the Coronation Scot would be the best bet for a complete 1930's express train. The new LMS pacific chassis may lend itself to a new streamlined body (then again it may not) and the Farish period three Stanier coaches could lend themselves to a representation of the train in Blue with go faster stripes.

Alas, the same couldn't be said of Dapol's Gresleys and the Flying Scotsman rake - nothing to do with Dapol's design but the FS set was very specialised with some rather unique vehicles in it... Same goes for the Silver Jubilee, (LNER) Coronation and West Riding sets (several completely new toolings with limited appeal would be required)...

[joe cassidy]

I very much doubt there is a large enough Market for a streamlined Coronation and rake of matching coaches, the timescale during which it operated is too restrictive, and I very much doubt enough "Rule 1" buyers to cover the shortfall.

They said that about the Blue Pullman !

Best regards,


Joe

[Stevie DC]

They said that about the Blue Pullman !

The Blue Pullman managed 13 years in service though. The Coronation Scot was active between 1937 and 1939, the (LNER) Coronation was about the same with the Silver Jubilee set being in service between 1935(ish) and 1939. The war stopped all of these expresses and in the LNER's case these formations were never reused (although stock was cascaded down into regular service formations). The same thing happened with the LNER's tourist stock so I would assume (although don't quote me on this) that the set thing happened with the LMS set... A two to three year service period may well be too short a time scale for N gauge manufactures, although this does seem to be changing in OO so you never know...

[Roy L S]

OK - hats off to Dapol for being ahead of the game with the 14xx and autotrailer.

I still think there's an opportunity for a more ambitious complete steam train.

The Coronation Scot must have the biggest chance of success because :

1) the streamlined Stanier pacific is more aesthetically pleasing than the Gresley A4 and the "Spam Can"

2) the coaches and the loco are in the same livery (like the Blue Pullman/Brighton Belle)

Best regards,


Joe

Hi Joe

A personal thing but I think the Bugatti inspired A4 styling is far more attractive than the "Coronation" and I don't think even Stanier was too keen on the idea of streamlining those magnificent locos. I think they looked a bit like an inverted bathtub when streamlined whereas in their de-streamlined form the Coronations looked (and still do) truly awesome.

Regards

Roy

[PLD]

I suggest the 'Coronation Scot', hauled by a streamlined Coronation Scot in blue livery with matching coaches.

I'd shell out £250 for that !

I think you are being wildly optimistic... If anyone can produce a full Coronation Scot set for that price it will be a miracle.

You are talking about a loco which on its own would be at least half of your £250, plus either 9 coaches of 6 different types out of which 4 are unique to the train (the 1937 trains) or 11 coaches including 5 articulated pairs all of which are unique to the train (the 1939 set). I think you would be very lucky to get the full train for less than £450...

[Stevie DC]

For a steam era complete train, how about an N2 and quad set? In service from 1921 to 1966, the quads even ended up behind locos such as 'male chicken' (changed by forum) 'o the North and Baby Deltics!

[zwilnik]

Even without Rule 1, I suspect a truly iconic train would fit in most layouts that are reasonably within the time frame of the prototype. It's not like you're worrying that you can run the train for 2 scale years before it has to go out of service

I'd love to see train packs like the Coronation or Jubilee streamliners. As with the Brighton Belle, even though they don't necessarily fit my current layout, it's the trains I'm interested in, not how accurate they fit my particular scene. I'd like to think there's a lot of model railway enthusiasts who think the same. Now, a City of Truro and suitable stock and I could even be mostly accurate within my scene too

Potentially, there's a really good selection of iconic British trains. Start with the Rocket + carriages and work upwards..