The Next R-T-R Complete Train ?

[Roy L S]

For a steam era complete train, how about an N2 and quad set? In service from 1921 to 1966, the quads even ended up behind locos such as 'male chicken' (changed by forum) 'o the North and Baby Deltics!

Great choice Steve, and what is more a surviving N2 plus a"Quad Art" on the NNR too.

N2 in a choice of LNER Green fully lined, LNER black and BR Lined Black early/late Crests, in fact odd the N2 has missed the attention of the RTR manufacturer in N. The coaches too - varnished teak and BR crimson liveries (did any make it into blue?)

And didn't the Quad-Arts even get behind the odd 24 and 31 too?

Roy

[portland-docks]

i would say if you were going to do a bookset, or complete steam set, this is what you would need to look at...

1-What has been released already?
Released already as booksets or train sets in the steam category was Flying Scotsman in BR green with 3 coaches, B17 in BR green with 3 crimson/cream gresleys, B17 in LNER with 3 teaks.

2-What is planned?
As seen above dapol have released 3 what could be classed as complete sets already (complete in the fact you got a loco and coaches), farish are now coming into it with their own packs. in 2015 we have the Cumbrian Mountain Express (duchess of hamilton with 3 blue/grey mk1s),  The Longmoor Military Railway (Blue WD with 3 coaches), Landship train (4F with 3 wagons), Seaside Excursion (4F and 2 mk1s).

3-What has not been done?
as can be seen, Dapol have focused on LNER, there are western sets which were released with kato track also, but as limited edition with Osbornes models, and Farish have focused on the LMS with the 4F, coronation and WD (not strictly LMS but still). So what hasnt been targeted yet?
As i said earlier GWR hasnt essentially been released apart from limited edition with Osbornes, so theres the option of a western themed set, but their is also the southern that hasnt been touched at all!

With new spam cans/ schools/ bullieds etc all due for release in the next year, the option is there for farish to release a Golden arrow set, using a spam can and mk1 pullmans. Dapol to release the schools with their new maunsell coaches.

i would personally say, if your going to do a new steam set, release a western set and a southern set, then you have something from each of the big 4 companies!

just my opinion of course

[Stevie DC]

And didn't the Quad-Arts even get behind the odd 24 and 31 too?

I think it may be a case of what didn't the quads end up behind. Also many people seem surprised about how far out of London they managed to get during the holiday seasons - just about any type of coach could find itself put into a excursion set (I think I've seen a picture of a quad set in Skeggy behind a J39!).

[BLOKEY]

Hi all. What about a trans pennine dmu. In blue/gray.     

[Adam1701D]

It has to be an Electrostar! 

[joe cassidy]

I think you are being wildly optimistic... If anyone can produce a full Coronation Scot set for that price it will be a miracle.
You are talking about a loco which on its own would be at least half of your £250, plus either 9 coaches of 6 different types out of which 4 are unique to the train (the 1937 trains) or 11 coaches including 5 articulated pairs all of which are unique to the train (the 1939 set). I think you would be very lucky to get the full train for less than £450...

I think I am being "reasonably optimistic". I agree the loco would cost about £120. I would envisage only 5 coaches, from the existing Stanier range, i.e. no catering vehicles.

I believe that Hornby have already done a Coronation Scot train pack in OO.

Remember :

- they* said it was impossible to produce a class 09 shunter with inside frames

- they* said the N Gauge Society would never do coach kits

Best regards,


Joe

* N Gauge Yahoo group

[Newportnobby]

If 'limited appeal' is allowed, how about a full Underground train?

Not that I want this or any of the above

[PLD]

I think you are being wildly optimistic... If anyone can produce a full Coronation Scot set for that price it will be a miracle.
You are talking about a loco which on its own would be at least half of your £250, plus either 9 coaches of 6 different types out of which 4 are unique to the train (the 1937 trains) or 11 coaches including 5 articulated pairs all of which are unique to the train (the 1939 set). I think you would be very lucky to get the full train for less than £450...

I think I am being "reasonably optimistic". I agree the loco would cost about £120. I would envisage only 5 coaches, from the existing Stanier range, i.e. no catering vehicles.

So you are in fact arguing for an INCOMPLETE IMPRESSION of a train. i.e. not the full formation and using whatever coaches are available not necessarily the correct types...

What you are proposing is the equivalent of Farish producing only the power cars for the Blue Pulman, sticking 2 mk1 coaches from their existing range in the box and still calling it a complete BP set...

[gc4946]

A Farish Maunsell N 2-6-0 and three coach Birdcage set could be offered, in SECR, Southern Railway or BR guises.

Other possibilities could consist of an accurately numbered Southern Region Maunsell, Bulleid or Mk1 set with a matching loco.

[Bob Tidbury]

Slightly of topic but we did mention existing book sets Dapol did the Voyager and the Wrexham & Shropshire set true this had a two coach add on pack and Farish also done the voyager .
I too think that the quad arts would be a nice set I remember my good friend
Charlie Griffith scratch built one years ago I was promised the set but don't know what happened to it when he passed away.
Bob

[joe cassidy]

So you are in fact arguing for an INCOMPLETE IMPRESSION of a train. i.e. not the full formation and using whatever coaches are available not necessarily the correct types...

What you are proposing is the equivalent of Farish producing only the power cars for the Blue Pulman, sticking 2 mk1 coaches from their existing range in the box and still calling it a complete BP set...

Yes, I am proposing an incomplete impression of a train. I think many people would be happy with this. Currently the only "big 4" catering vehicle available RTR is the Gresley buffet car so I assume that there plenty pf people out there running "incomplete" express trains of Farish LMS Stanier or GWR Collet coaches without catering vehicles.

Best regards,


Joe

[Roy L S]

I think you are being wildly optimistic... If anyone can produce a full Coronation Scot set for that price it will be a miracle.
You are talking about a loco which on its own would be at least half of your £250, plus either 9 coaches of 6 different types out of which 4 are unique to the train (the 1937 trains) or 11 coaches including 5 articulated pairs all of which are unique to the train (the 1939 set). I think you would be very lucky to get the full train for less than £450...

I think I am being "reasonably optimistic". I agree the loco would cost about £120. I would envisage only 5 coaches, from the existing Stanier range, i.e. no catering vehicles.

I believe that Hornby have already done a Coronation Scot train pack in OO.

Remember :

- they* said it was impossible to produce a class 09 shunter with inside frames

- they* said the N Gauge Society would never do coach kits

Best regards,


Joe

* N Gauge Yahoo group

Hi Joe

The unstreamlined Duchess will retail at just shy of £150 with max discount it will be about £127.

I think the Coronation coaches were unique to the train so Staniers from the current range will not work.

It was an 08 Shunter and it now has outside frames.

NGS have not done coach kits yet, the Gresley BG is closest but that is a Non Passenger vehicle.

Regards

Roy

[joe cassidy]

Thanks Roy.

Sorry for my imprecisions about the shunter and the Gresley full brake but my point is that what was once deemed a no-goer can become reality.

I understand that some of coaches in the 1937 Coronation Scot formation were more or less standard and others were special. I think one of the differences was the roofs, which had continuous external ducting for ventilation.

I make no apology for suggesting that an approximation of the Coronation Scot would be acceptable to me.

Let's face it, only those with huge layouts are able to run express trains with a prototypical formation of 10 or more coaches including catering vehicles. Most of us have to compromise and make do with 5 or 6.

Best regards,


Joe

[Zunnan]

Why does it have to be a passenger train? Unit freight trains would only need the loco and a single wagon tooling, much cheaper to produce and the wagons alone often come high on wish list polls.

What about something like the Consett ore trains with a Westinghouse equipped O1 or 9F or the ICI hoppers and a retooled 8F?

Re the Coronation Staniers, 4 of the current range would only need a new tooling for the roof to represent the pressure ventilation duct and a couple of those would maybe want a new interior to provide the 2+1 seating for the open thirds and 2 a side in the firsts. The real things were converted from the same coach diagrams that Farish already produce. A set could quite happily consist of a Brake First, Corridor First, Open Third, Brake Corridor Third. And if you wanted to push the boat out the 50ft chassis of the inspection saloon/BG can be used as a platform for the kitchen car which would need just the body and roof tooling.

[SD35]

It will be interesting to see Hornby's strategy going forward.  The Brighton Belle was of limited use for most people but it is an iconic train.  A lot of people have bought one and will run it anyway and it is very collectable for those who are into that.

Following the same idea, something like a City of Truro with a handful of coaches would probably be a candidate.  Probably useless for most people's layouts but very iconic and collectable.  I can't really think of anything on the diesel side apart from something like a rake of freightliners with a blue or two tone green with full yellow ends 47.  However, they'd be daft as a brush (meh) to duplicate something already out there.