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Dapol 2014/5 catalogue
« on: March 19, 2014, 04:20:41 PM »
Dapol have announced their catalogue will be out at Ally Pally, what no shows can we expect this time, my hoped for "Schools" seems to have disappeared into the ether already! Apparently the latest batch of Terriers are due in shortly, 2659 for me, was named "Cheam" my old home town.
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Re: Dapol 2014/5 catalogue
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2014, 04:57:34 PM »
According to this month's Railway Modeller........

"The class 33 is progressing well. However, some minor body details are being corrected prior to a final EP being produced. Decorated samples of the Maunsell coaches were due to arrive towards the end of February ( ???). CAD drawings are currently being checked for the Maunsell 'Schools' 4-4-0 and class 50 models, whilst tooling drawings are now under way for the GWR 'Grange' 4-6-0, which will share parts from the '2884' 2-8-0 and 'Manor' 4-6-0 models"

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Re: Dapol 2014/5 catalogue
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2014, 06:42:43 PM »
well the grange you could say release for 2017 if your lucky, schools probably next year, coaches late this year, 142...cancelled probably!

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Re: Dapol 2014/5 catalogue
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2014, 07:13:51 PM »
Why don't both dapol and bachfar end this nonsense once and for all and just put in the catalogues what is really available in the time period of the catalogue...what is the point of such horrendous lead times for future products..its really poor...I have only recently returned to modelling in the last year and the constant delays and lack of stock is frustrating...both companies products are much improved from years gone by but I am amazed they can treat their customers so poorly...I think they rely on our complacency and our lack of willingness to complain...imagine going into Argos and selecting items only to be told at the till that they will be in stock in maybe 1,2,3 years time but please just leave a preorder !....PS maybe this should be in the angry thread !!!!

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Re: Dapol 2014/5 catalogue
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2014, 11:42:32 AM »
Because while the products are much improved over yesteryear, one of the costs has been the offshoring of production. Manufacturers are somewhat at the whim of far-eastern factories. This is one of the reasons (although only one) behind the long lead times. As well as waiting for production slots, it takes time for CADs and EPs to go back and forth along with the inevitable engrish transration ploblems.
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: Dapol 2014/5 catalogue
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2014, 11:55:29 AM »
I think when the last catalogue came out Dapol did intend to get most of it done. Then the design engineer Dave Johns left and a lot slipped as new staff came in and had to get up to speed. China sounds hard to deal with at times but is still the best and cheapest.


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Re: Dapol 2014/5 catalogue
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2014, 12:30:54 PM »
I think the production in China excuse does not stand up...thousands of products are designed in Europe or the USA for example and production done in China..with current technology then sending cad or engineering files is easy...at the end of the day these companies need to get a firmer grip of their own design processes and get some steam up....sorry I should have said traction as I am a diesel modeller!

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Re: Dapol 2014/5 catalogue
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2014, 12:47:29 PM »
Design and production all in China, you compete for all resources with other bigger players. If a USA company order 2000 of a new product and the UK 500 who are you going to priorities?
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Re: Dapol 2014/5 catalogue
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2014, 12:55:25 PM »
Design and production all in China, you compete for all resources with other bigger players. If a USA company order 2000 of a new product and the UK 500 who are you going to priorities?

Depends on your business relationship with your supplier and to an extent on what you pay of course.

And I'll point out that about the time he left Dave said there were no capacity issues.

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Re: Dapol 2014/5 catalogue
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2014, 01:30:42 PM »
At the end of the day it is for both dapol and bachfar to manage their supply and development chains...I think that as there is very little competition certainly for British n gauge from other manufacturers the bar is set very low. I don't know if USA companies are any better as I don't model non UK stuff??

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Re: Dapol 2014/5 catalogue
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2014, 01:45:19 PM »
Just to crudely illustrate the point if you look at the bachfar site and say the n gauge diesel section....it contains 108 products...of which 62 are not in stock...some have future est dates and some are on order with no date and many show out of stock...now I know this does not reflect the stocks at retailers but it does show the large gap in the actual physically available product compared to fresh air !

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Re: Dapol 2014/5 catalogue
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2014, 02:26:02 PM »
Design and production all in China, you compete for all resources with other bigger players. If a USA company order 2000 of a new product and the UK 500 who are you going to priorities?
Exactly ... I'm in the process of designing / prototyping an add-on to a controller (sorry - not applicable to us here :(), and am looking at using China for the creation of the PCBs (and possibly populating them too).  Prices are very good - however, for the small quantities I'm looking at, my work will be fitted in as & when ... I do have a window, but am expecting things to be at the end of that window, not the start !

Would it be quicker here ?  Quite probably - but the cost would increase so much it's not feasible to make them ...

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Re: Dapol 2014/5 catalogue
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2014, 03:12:01 PM »
Would it be quicker here ?  Quite probably - but the cost would increase so much it's not feasible to make them ...

The Raspberry PI production was succesfully brought back to the UK. Not suggesting its remotely similar to low volume or specialist stuff but it proves we can make things in the UK (Well in Wales at least dunno about England  :P )
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Re: Dapol 2014/5 catalogue
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2014, 03:52:20 PM »
Er, not really ... there are, I understand, production facilities all across the world.

And my little project is only for 2 x 50 PCBs, not the tens of thousands the RasPi is !  ::)  Definitely not the same scale !

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Re: Dapol 2014/5 catalogue
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2014, 05:11:51 PM »
They loose credibility when they fail to deliver, which is a shame since a lot of what was produced over the last few years wasn't half bad. Some issues yes but hey, that seems to be true of every manufacturer in every gauge if you read the model press.

Just would like them to produce what they advertise. There are no doubt a whole host of business issues behind it all, cash flow etc will aways dictate first and foremost.

 

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