Farish have announced a re-release of the LMS Inspection Saloon, in three liveries (BR Maroon, Intercity, BR Blue/Grey), Amoco 45T TTA, and two repaints of the LMS 20T Brake Van (Dutch and NCB) as this quarters "new" announcements.

There is nothing in N from EFE.

The "Also arriving this quarter" list is awaited.

Best

Scott.

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https://www.bachmann.co.uk/category/bra/autumn-2021

This certainly doesn't reflect a bumper announcement that was alluded to in the conversation the Bachmann person had with Maurice at Osborns, and I wouldn't mind betting he isn't happy to have been so mislead - I would be fuming.

So, the only "new tool" actually is a tool - a box spanner to remove crankpins - I think that may be stretching things though!

We have three pieces of rolling stock including a brake van in niche liveries. NO new locos not even re-liveries of existing ones. It now seems very clear to me if I previously had any doubt that Bachmann's commitment to their Farish range is no longer any kind of priority - that appears very clearly to now be OO.

I have tried to remain optimistic but now this has put the tin lid on it.

Thank goodness for Sonic and RevolutioN and to be fair even Dapol are stepping up.

To add insult to injury I have recently renewed my "Collectors Club" and for another Quarter not a single item in N for members. They have "generously" added a second year warranty of their products for members, the only problem is that for it to be of any benefit to me there has to be something to buy..... I honestly am now wondering why I bothered.

Roy

I wouldn't mind betting he isn't happy to have been so mislead - I would be fuming. very true Roy. to be fair to Bachmann I think they have been spooked by their new competitors snapping at their market share and to be fair their traditional inventory is under attack from quite a few new brands as well as Dapol Heljan and Hornby. They have raised the bar with the new Class 47 but will have to keep on doing so until the product is so good but so expensive that the volumes dive. The trouble is the same is starting to happen to their N inventory and I predict Sonic #3 will be a wake up call for them.
regards
Maurice

Unimpressed.

But if , as Roy LS says, they have spent £1m on the new 47, there probably won't have been much left in the development budget for N

I wonder how long it will take Bachmann to get that money back?

Just pleased that I'm not looking to buy many more locos or stock, but not good for N in the long run. One may have thought that there might have been some progress in the development of a new Crab, or less likely, the 2P/Compound (neither of which I would get, but they are among the last Poole locos to be redesigned).

There are also number of locos and some stock in 4mm which could have been shot down to N, as has been discussed many times previously in the past, but no.

However, with the pandemic still causing chaos, perhaps we can get better news in the next announcement, and hope the Autumn statement has been delayed one quarter.

There are some J72s, though........in 4mm.........

Martyn

Is the £1m figure tooling or total investment (R&D, production etc). I'd be surprised if there's £1m of tooling in that 47 though I can easily see research to do a complete suite of tooling soon mounting up.

The RRP is £200 excl VAT. I don't know what retail margin Bachmann offer but I'd guess that they need to sell 7,000-10,000 47s to cover that £1m figure which I would have thought was doable for a decent, modern spec 47.

If I was in charge of Farish I would concentrate on locos with outside motion such as un-rebuilt LMS 4-6-0s.

Union Mills and Sonic have shied away from this segement.

Dapol are resting on their laurels.

Quote from: red_death on August 04, 2021, 01:27:21 PM
Is the £1m figure tooling or total investment (R&D, production etc). I'd be surprised if there's £1m of tooling in that 47 though I can easily see research to do a complete suite of tooling soon mounting up.

The RRP is £200 excl VAT. I don't know what retail margin Bachmann offer but I'd guess that they need to sell 7,000-10,000 47s to cover that £1m figure which I would have thought was doable for a decent, modern spec 47.

My impression was a £1million investment across the whole project, not just tooling.

Best

Scott.

I've been following the topic of lackluster Farish announcements for maybe 18 months now. None of this looks like it was intended to be like this. This looks like a company trying to navigate an extremely tight situation and make a lot of tough decisions. As I understand it they are at the mercy of Kader's manufacturing capacity. Surely the problem must be at that end?

Forgetting new tooling, Dapol is putting in the effort with re-runs. Farish... just aren't. How about a 47 and Mk2Fs in Swallow livery? Or even the long-awaited Virgin 47 and matching Mk2Fs? The tooling is there. Is the market so dire that they wouldn't sell well? I can only imagine that the lack of releases is out of their direct control.

Rather disappointed. Still, I have just received my 56xx from Sonic and I am looking forward to my RevolutioN 128 so I guess I will be getting my N gauge fix from a new dealer for the immediate future.

Quote from: BertFredStan on August 04, 2021, 01:52:08 PM
Forgetting new tooling, Dapol is putting in the effort with re-runs. Farish... just aren't. How about a 47 and Mk2Fs in Swallow livery? Or even the long-awaited Virgin 47 and matching Mk2Fs? The tooling is there. Is the market so dire that they wouldn't sell well? I can only imagine that the lack of releases is out of their direct control.

An understandable question, to which the answer will no doubt never be known to customers/dealers.  To back up your example, I have a requirement for no less than 32 Mark 1s in Maroon, and probably 7 or 8 Thomsons in Maroon.  Money is squireled away and allocated.  And yet it is impossible to source them...unless I wanted 32 RUs and FOs.  But that's circa £1400 just waiting to be paid to them. I'm surely not the only one in that position...

Without wishing to get into the ridiculous realms of "I bet they'd sell bucket-loads of model x", I'd have thought coaches would be the bread and butter of most (not all) model railways and a nice little earner for cashflow purposes, but they just aren't there.

Frustrating, but not the end of the world.

In fairness, we haven't seen the "arriving this quarter" announcement yet.

Best

Scott.

I've some agreement with reply #8.

With only so many slots available, and with so much competition within the group, someone has to make decisions about what to produce; and in these times of the pandemic, probably what will bring most profit to the company if it is made and offered.

However, I'd have thought that other coaching stock rather than the inspection saloons would be better sellers overall; a layout only really needs one (or two saloons), but larger numbers of SK/SO/CK/BSK/BCK.

I'd also like to see maroon Thompsons, but think I have a long wait.

Next time......

Martyn

Disappointing yes, surprising no.

From my mind from the farish Poole range yet to see a new tool are:
Holden tank
94xx
Modified Hall (Dapol is original hall)
4p compound
Large prairie
Rebuilt merchant navy
Air smoothed west country
Crab
GP Tank (why does nobody clamour for this to be rebuilt  )
V2 (sort of just about old Farish)

I'll let them off A3 and A4  as Dapol got there first

I can't say on other motive power but there is a fair old list of opportunities!

Graham

Quote from: joe cassidy on August 04, 2021, 01:28:27 PM
If I was in charge of Farish I would concentrate on locos with outside motion such as un-rebuilt LMS 4-6-0s.

Union Mills and Sonic have shied away from this segement.

Dapol are resting on their laurels.

Or Southern 4-6-0s...S15s and N15s, or Lord Nelsons, just because they are on my workbench right now!

I'm sure someone somewhere on this forum stated the Farish Autumn announcement was going to be 'The Big One'. If that's the case I'd hate to see a small one!

I wouldn't say Sonic have shied away from outside movement, more that they want to get another good simpler loco under their belt before spreading their wings a bit

Quote from: Karhedron on August 04, 2021, 02:00:54 PM
Rather disappointed. Still, I have just received my 56xx from Sonic and I am looking forward to my RevolutioN 128 so I guess I will be getting my N gauge fix from a new dealer for the immediate future.

Add to that the Rapido class 28 for me, along with Dapols' M7 and class 27

Lord only knows when I'll get my plain green Warship announced yonks ago (371-606) and I reckon the Gaugemaster class 73 is just a work of fiction