I'll pass up the chance to own a South West Trains 450 unit (£240 estimated from Hattons)

http://www.hattons.co.uk/337674/Graham_Farish_371_725_Class_450_Desiro_4_car_EMU_450073_in_South_West_Trains_livery_Price_is_estimate/StockDetail.aspx

I paid £265 early bird price for Revolution Trains' 9-car Pendolino - looks value for money nowadays!

If you stand back from the padding the only real new model here is the 158

I would not call the 47 new tooling, more revised

Changes to PCBs and some internal molds for speakers are straight forward

In summary only one new model the 158 - poor showing, although it is of interest, the concern is there will unlikely be any change out of £200 for a DCC ready model by the time it hits the retailers

Note Hattons estimate of £179 to draw in pre-orders therefore likely to be close to £200 by the time to usual delays in delivery happen!

Would have loved a suburban DMU such as the Class 117 to have been announced seen as OO guys are getting one.
I wonder if Dapol will do them as they already do the Class 121/122's...

Cheers,
Mark

I'm happy to hear Farish's latest announcements regards developing and adding to the range.

The modern image items will be well received by me and will be bought over time from a variety of retailers.

As regards the pricing structure and what retail prices will eventually be I think recent history suggests the following will continue to happen;

• niche liveries like Network Rail, Colas and DRS tend to sell out quickly at RRP - 15% so buy them quick.
  

new tooling/new technology like sound, equally sell quickly as above

the mainstream will have an initial sales surge then reality kicks in - too much stock - not enough turnover - specials begin - 2017 purchases included 37's and 47's at £70-80, 350's at £75, A2's at £75, Mk1's at £18, NSE set at £150 - all substantively below RRP and the usual discounted prices.

My strategy now is to identify what I would like and if I feel that it will sell out quickly like the Class 40 digital sound model then preorder asap.

Remainder of my purchases I simply wait and see what the market is doing as most of the releases are in stock for months and in some cases years before exhausted, and the major retailers often have sales/specials on most of the year.

N gauge has in my experience always been a reasonably costly hobby both in terms of the individual prices of models and the temptations put before us in the sheer variety now put before us, long may this continue as I would rather have the situation as it is today as opposed to the 80's when I started.

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no 47/8 in intercity swallow is strange??? or a res 47???

anyway I've pre ordered the 158 and rtc class 31 and i may get sound chips for them too

no wagons or coaches I want

Tim

Quote from: Lindi on January 07, 2018, 07:12:12 PM
Hattons guess at the prices of items Farish haven't announced an RRP for. I would assume that these are the expected RRP - 15%

372-261DS Class 47 No. 47727 'Rebecca' in Colas livery (DCC Sound) £219

371-850 Class 158 2-Car DMU No. 158849 in Regional Railways livery £179
371-851 Class 158 2-Car DMU No. 158711 in ScotRail (Saltire) livery £179

371-725 Class 450 4-Car EMU No. 450073 in South West Trains livery £240

372-828 E1 Class No. 2173 NER Lined Green £111
372-825 LNER J72 No. 2313 LNER Lined Black £90
372-826 LNER J72 No. 68733 BR Black Early Emblem £90
372-827 LNER J72 No. 68696 BR Black Late Crest £90

I wonder, actually, if these are RRP as well. The 3 car 108 is £220RRP. Take the 15% off (£33), then that drops to £187, for three cars. It would seem a bit much for the 158 to be retailing at £8 less for only two cars, albeit latest up-to-date tooling, bells, whistles, etc.

I could be wrong, but I have to say I hope I'm right.......

I suspect that where Hattons have had to guess prices to facilitate pre-orders because Farish haven't fixed them yet they will over estimate rather than under so as to mitigate risk of cancellations.

A green 31 at £129,95 with Next 18 socket and plug and play sound capability actually doesn't look so bad. A max 15% discount brings it down to around £110 which I think for what you get is pretty reasonable. The same can be said for the similar 47 and yes, a state of the art 158 for maybe £160 discounted ditto.

If a weathered 64xx is your thing then around the £89 for a current spec DCC ready loco, coreless motor and all probably is too.

However, with regard to the Desiro 450, if the chassis has not been upgraded and it still has a can motor and needs 3 chips to fully DCC it I personally cannot understand how Bachmann see a RRP of £269.95 as realistic given the challenge selling through the first run of Desiros. That would make a max discounted price of just shy of £230. It may be where they need to pitch it, but I just can't see many selling.

Roy

There's normally a premium for factory weathering so summat doesn't look right with the 64xx pricing

Quote from: newportnobby on January 07, 2018, 08:56:35 PM
There's normally a premium for factory weathering so summat doesn't look right with the 64xx pricing

I agree, but if that is the price and it's nearly as good as the 00 version I'll selling my factory fresh version.

 

Skyline2uk

Quote from: Lindi on January 07, 2018, 09:43:07 PM

Quote from: Tank on January 07, 2018, 11:40:51 AM
BACHMANN 2018/19 RELEASES
371-288 Class 55 No. 55015 'Tulyar' BR Blue
First time a BR Blue liveried Deltic with white window surrounds has been modelled in N Scale

If only they'd looked at their past products before making such a statement (maybe they thought this model was N Gauge!)

Graham Farish 8416 - 55009 Alcydon 

Thought it was a bit of a sweeping statement - I modelled a white cab Deltic back in the day with a Lima and some Tipp-Ex.

I was wonderign about that as well, although only released for a short period originally a batch were re-released in 1999 prior to Bachmann taking over...

Quote from: Lindi on January 07, 2018, 09:43:07 PM

Quote from: Tank on January 07, 2018, 11:40:51 AM
BACHMANN 2018/19 RELEASES
371-288 Class 55 No. 55015 'Tulyar' BR Blue
First time a BR Blue liveried Deltic with white window surrounds has been modelled in N Scale

If only they'd looked at their past products before making such a statement (maybe they thought this model was N Gauge!)

Graham Farish 8416 - 55009 Alcydon 

Quote from: Lindi on January 07, 2018, 09:43:07 PM

Quote from: Tank on January 07, 2018, 11:40:51 AM
BACHMANN 2018/19 RELEASES
371-288 Class 55 No. 55015 'Tulyar' BR Blue
First time a BR Blue liveried Deltic with white window surrounds has been modelled in N Scale

If only they'd looked at their past products before making such a statement (maybe they thought this model was N Gauge!)

Graham Farish 8416 - 55009 Alcydon 

This is an ancient model dating from 1984. Not the same tooling, and really not comparable - I can't see there's any valid criticism of Bachmann here - they can't be expected to not reproduce models that were last done 33 years ago!

Cheers,
Alan

Very excited by the WR Blue Pullman set. I remember when my dad and I first started in orribly oversized we had the Triang version in grey/blue and I have wanted an N Gauge one ever since I got back into the hobby

The maroon Hawksworths and a sound fitted Class 31 are also very tempting

All in all a very nice New Year's announcement!

I'm also very excited about the Western Pullman. Even at £380!
Also tempted by 31s in BR Blue and RTC.