Quote from: Karhedron on July 22, 2014, 10:39:44 AM

Quote from: daveg on July 22, 2014, 10:25:46 AM

The birdcage stock was ex-SECR (basically the eastern side of what became the Southern) whereas T9s were ex-LSWR (the western portion). There may have been occurrences of a T9 hauling birdcage stock but I don't think it was very common.

Unless you have an ex-SECR route running in ex-LSWR territory, ie the Rattler (Reading-Redhill). T9's regularly hauled birdcage sets on this route in the 1950's until both started to be replaced by BR stock and redundant stock from the Kent coast electrification. The Birdcages are in the correct colour for this period.

Sadly nothing for me so I must hurry up and complete the 2-BIL.

Dodger

Quote from: dodger on July 22, 2014, 03:11:57 PM
Unless you have an ex-SECR route running in ex-LSWR territory, ie the Rattler (Reading-Redhill). T9's regularly hauled birdcage sets on this route in the 1950's until both started to be replaced by BR stock and redundant stock from the Kent coast electrification. The Birdcages are in the correct colour for this period.

Well, you learn something new every day.  That'll teach me to simply reel off a simple answer without checking. 

Now that you have pointed it out there is even a photo showing the pairing.

http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SteamMisc/More-Misc/i-46H66hD#!/SteamMisc/More-Misc/i-pSZvbdx/A

Quote from: Karhedron on July 22, 2014, 10:39:44 AM


A much better match would be the forthcoming Dapol Maunsell coaches. They are also selling them in complete sets and a 4-coach set in Maunsell olive can be had for £72.

http://www.ehattons.com/74763/Dapol_2P_012_251_Maunsell_Set_450_Lined_Green_BR_3rd_brake_4069_composites_5161_5162_and_3rd_bra/StockDetail.aspx

From the pictures so far shown of the Dapol Maunsell's they look more like Restriction 4 stock, but set 450 was Restriction 1 stock. Still suitable for Reading-Redhill. Now I'm puzzled!

Dodger

Quote from: Karhedron on July 22, 2014, 03:22:33 PM

Well, you learn something new every day.  That'll teach me to simply reel off a simple answer without checking. 

Now that you have pointed it out there is even a photo showing the pairing.

http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SteamMisc/More-Misc/i-46H66hD#!/SteamMisc/More-Misc/i-pSZvbdx/A

I do have a slight advantage in that I lived and that route between 1954 & 1974 and the secondary school playground was adjacent to it!

Dodger

Quote from: Karhedron on July 22, 2014, 03:22:33 PM

Quote from: dodger on July 22, 2014, 03:11:57 PM
Unless you have an ex-SECR route running in ex-LSWR territory, ie the Rattler (Reading-Redhill). T9's regularly hauled birdcage sets on this route in the 1950's until both started to be replaced by BR stock and redundant stock from the Kent coast electrification. The Birdcages are in the correct colour for this period.

Well, you learn something new every day.  That'll teach me to simply reel off a simple answer without checking. 

Now that you have pointed it out there is even a photo showing the pairing.

http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/SteamMisc/More-Misc/i-46H66hD#!/SteamMisc/More-Misc/i-pSZvbdx/A

Ahh, well, now then! 

Does this all mean that I should consider a set and start setting some cash aside for them? 

Dave G

I guess the single most important question is whether you like the prototype. T9s were long lived and ran with a lot of different coaches.

Assuming that the birdcage st9ck floats your boat, the next question is whether you are modelling somewhere it might have been seen. If you are simply somewhere on the SR then you should be fine.

Lastly, can your wallet take the strain?

If yes, buy it!

If no, buy it anyway and put it on the credit card.

Quote from: Karhedron on July 22, 2014, 03:57:19 PM
I guess the single most important question is whether you like the prototype. T9s were long lived and ran with a lot of different coaches.

Assuming that the birdcage st9ck floats your boat, the next question is whether you are modelling somewhere it might have been seen. If you are simply somewhere on the SR then you should be fine.

Lastly, can your wallet take the strain?

If yes, buy it!

If no, buy it anyway and put it on the credit card.

Was keen on this set until I saw Hattons projected price!

http://www.ehattons.com/82823/Graham_Farish_374_911_Triple_Pack_of_SECR_60_Birdcage_Stock_in_SR_olive_green_Price_is_estimated_we_w/StockDetail.aspx

The Credit card has breathed a sigh of relief! Mind you by the time they appear I may have won the lottery 

Quote from: MinZaPint on July 22, 2014, 05:00:58 PM

Quote from: Karhedron on July 22, 2014, 03:57:19 PM
I guess the single most important question is whether you like the prototype. T9s were long lived and ran with a lot of different coaches.

Assuming that the birdcage st9ck floats your boat, the next question is whether you are modelling somewhere it might have been seen. If you are simply somewhere on the SR then you should be fine.

Lastly, can your wallet take the strain?

If yes, buy it!

If no, buy it anyway and put it on the credit card.

Was keen on this set until I saw Hattons projected price!

http://www.ehattons.com/82823/Graham_Farish_374_911_Triple_Pack_of_SECR_60_Birdcage_Stock_in_SR_olive_green_Price_is_estimated_we_w/StockDetail.aspx

The Credit card has breathed a sigh of relief! Mind you by the time they appear I may have won the lottery 

I was also going to buy this... but £102 for three coaches Not a chance !

what a shame......

£34/coach _ I wouldn't be at all surprised if that isn't the level we have to get used to for more obscure coaches.  Wasn't the Dapol Gresley buffet £35 a few years back?

Brian - the 319s are due to be shuffled north IIRC following all the electrification work around Manchester and Liverpool. Not sure that any have been to Scotland (or out of the NSE area yet).

Cheers, Mike

With the time it takes to get from catalog to shop I am guessing we'll have plenty of time to save up for the impending new releases. 

I for one am not going to get excited...

Quote from: red_death on July 22, 2014, 05:32:16 PM
£34/coach _ I wouldn't be at all surprised if that isn't the level we have to get used to for more obscure coaches.  Wasn't the Dapol Gresley buffet £35 a few years back?

Quite correct the Gresley Buffets were £35 when originally released (for some daft reason I bought two at that price!).

The rest of the Gresley coaches at that time retailed at £25 if I recall correctly.

It could well be typical of the price for more bespoke coaches simply due to the relatively limited market for them, and I do wonder if it will be the first and last of the kind we see from Bachmann.

It makes the NGS Inspection Saloon (Whatever era/livery we are talking about!) an absolute bargain!

Roy

If it had been Quad-Art set Bachmann had announced though, even at that price I might just have been tempted...

Quote from: Agrippa on July 22, 2014, 01:25:04 PMI think that cost plays a large part in popularity of N gauge. Apparently it costs as much to make an N gauge item as the equivalent OO version. Presumably the planning , die making and labour costs agreatre the same and economies of scale come into play, but the raw material, packaging and shipping costs should be about a quarter of the OO version.

The Farish Class 08  shunter costs the same as the Bachmann 00 version. However if you go into a car showroom you don't expect to pay the same for a Fiesta as a Mondeo.

Ah but the profit margin on a Fiesta is probably smaller than on a Mondeo to make the difference in price.  Ford then hope to offset this by selling more Fiestas.  Sadly I am not sure this sales model can be applied to model railways as the volume is simply not there anymore.

Edit: this was the approach Triang took with TT to make it cheaper than their OO models.  As we all know it did not work.

Paddy

Hello all,

£102 for three coaches is probably where things are now.

Check out the prices for triple packs of Fleischmann coaches at, say, Gaugemaster.  All around £100-£130. 

I suspect this is the new normal.

cheers

Ben A

All this is making the Dapol 4-coach packs look even better value. The trouble is I really want a rake in malachite livery. Do I hold out and risk a price rise or order the olive set at a bargain price?