F1 changes

[Mr Sprue]

What is annoying me is the constant whining coming from the Red Bull camp. If I was a betting man I would lay money on that Horner was the classroom snitch and teachers pet when he was at school!

[zwilnik]

Indeed. I hope they'd take a suitably dim view of that and dock points, but they seem rather keen to ensure it's not Mercedes who win again!

I don't think the stewards or race director can dock points - so it'd probably end up in a long legal wrangle with the championship winner not being decided until, probably, after next season has started.

The only real scenario for the driver is where the driver or team does some so blatant that they get disqualified from the season (Schumacher when he tried to ram Villeneuve off the road to win the championship at Jerez, McLaren's "Spygate" scandal or when Tyrrell were caught adding lead shot to their car with the water tank top ups to run illegally light during the races). Then the driver or team (or feasibly both) can have all their points removed.

Teams have been docked points for breaking the rules. Force India last year for instance when the Pink Mercedes was found to have copied its brake ducts directly from the Mercedes design rather than making their own design. They lost 15 championship points in the constructors championship for that.

[Bob Tidbury]

That was a blatant brake test by Verstappen ,Hamilton didnt have a chance to avoid running into the back of him ,if you are going to abide by the rules Verstappen should have gone to the left or right to let Hamilton pass safely .That just shows what a childish driver he is .I think he should get some form of penalty for that .
It seems that someone is derermined that Hamilton wont win the Championship this year . That race was a total farce .
Bob Tidbury

[Nbodger]

...I think he should get some form of penalty for that .
It seems that someone is derermined that Hamilton wont win the Championship this year .

Verstappen did get a 10 second post race penalty, which still kept him in second place, disqualification would have been more appropriate in my opinion.

Mike H

[Madann01]

He also had two points put on his licence  does anyone know how many youre allowed before any action taken?

[chrism]

He also had two points put on his licence  does anyone know how many youre allowed before any action taken?

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA_Super_Licence#Sanctions;

The FIA have a series of sanctions which can be placed on a driver's Super Licence which are in the form of reprimands and penalty points. If a driver accumulated three reprimands over the course of a season the FIA may impose penalty points. If a driver accumulates 12 or more penalty points in a 12-month period they will receive a one race ban for the next event they are scheduled to participate in.

[chrism]

...I think he should get some form of penalty for that .
It seems that someone is derermined that Hamilton wont win the Championship this year .

Verstappen did get a 10 second post race penalty, which still kept him in second place, disqualification would have been more appropriate in my opinion.

Or, at the very least, a grid penalty for the next race - fifteen should be sufficient to put him in with the crowd that often take each other out during lap one 

[chrism]

Indeed. I hope they'd take a suitably dim view of that and dock points, but they seem rather keen to ensure it's not Mercedes who win again!

I don't think the stewards or race director can dock points - so it'd probably end up in a long legal wrangle with the championship winner not being decided until, probably, after next season has started.

The only real scenario for the driver is where the driver or team does some so blatant that they get disqualified from the season (Schumacher when he tried to ram Villeneuve off the road to win the championship at Jerez, McLaren's "Spygate" scandal or when Tyrrell were caught adding lead shot to their car with the water tank top ups to run illegally light during the races). Then the driver or team (or feasibly both) can have all their points removed.

Teams have been docked points for breaking the rules. Force India last year for instance when the Pink Mercedes was found to have copied its brake ducts directly from the Mercedes design rather than making their own design. They lost 15 championship points in the constructors championship for that.

But all of those penalties have to be imposed by the FIA, not the race stewards or controller. Hence my saying that it could be some time (what with appeals, legal challenges, more appeals, etc.)  before the championship result would be finally determined.

[Newportnobby]

...I think he should get some form of penalty for that .
It seems that someone is derermined that Hamilton wont win the Championship this year .

Verstappen did get a 10 second post race penalty, which still kept him in second place, disqualification would have been more appropriate in my opinion.

Or, at the very least, a grid penalty for the next race - fifteen should be sufficient to put him in with the crowd that often take each other out during lap one 

@chrism Now that really is evil

[Mr Sprue]

There is definitely one rule that has to be scrapped in my opinion and that is: No tyre changes or adjustments to be made in the pit lane when under the red flag.  It was a disaster for our young Lando who could have finished well up on the points if it wasn't for Schumacher's visit to the safety barrier.

But reading all the recent posts F1 is due for tidy up regarding some rules!

[zwilnik]

There is definitely one rule that has to be scrapped in my opinion and that is: No tyre changes or adjustments to be made in the pit lane when under the red flag.  It was a disaster for our young Lando who could have finished well up on the points if it wasn't for Schumacher's visit to the safety barrier.

But reading all the recent posts F1 is due for tidy up regarding some rules!

This year's been a classic one for testing the rules and gameplay involved with the sport so tweaks can be done for future years. Although it'll take a lot of wrangling to actually implement them.

[Nbodger]

@chrism Now that really is evil

Nah, deserves it

My day was made on Saturday when Verstappen put his car into the wall, having brushed with it earlier in the lap, the truth is I gave a load cheer, for which Mrs N called me unsportsmanlike 

[JanW]

Here in the Netherlands the opinions are quiete different 
You brits get carried away a bit about penalties and tire change rules.
I'll be the first to admit that the penalties are justified and that Max was indeed a bit of a mad Max.
But I don't hear a word about Lewis messing up the restart of Max. That also was not according to the rules but everyone starts shouting if Max loses his temper because of the resultant wheel spin at the restart.

I'll get my coat now 

[Nbodger]

But I don't hear a word about Lewis messing up the restart of Max. That also was not according to the rules but everyone starts shouting if Max loses his temper because of the resultant wheel spin at the restart.

What Hamilton did was within the rules as it was not the parade lap reference clarification from Michael Massi, it was a restart within a race that had already started

[chrism]

But I don't hear a word about Lewis messing up the restart of Max. That also was not according to the rules but everyone starts shouting if Max loses his temper because of the resultant wheel spin at the restart.

What Hamilton did was within the rules as it was not the parade lap reference clarification from Michael Massi, it was a restart within a race that had already started

Correct. Although it looked like a formation lap, it was actually a lap of the race.