ok, it's in the Daily Mail but ...

[guest311]

anybody else seen this,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8660069/Military-chiefs-draw-plans-scrap-Britains-tanks.html

sent to me by a mate ..

why not go the whole hog, give the infantry catapults [gases from rifles damage the environment] and have them drive around in electric versions of snatch landrovers...

must be at least one charging point in afghan.

nothing, of course, about getting rid of politicians armoured limos and multiple vehicle bodyguard teams.

nice to know  they have their priorities right, cause the sure as hell won't stop sending our forces into wars when it suits their publicity campaigns.

[red_death]

If you don't have a blank cheque or magic money tree then you have to decide what is most important - getting rid of MBTs that are rarely used (and might require eventual replacement) might make sense if the money is used for something that is more use to the armed forces.

I don't think you can say investment hasn't been made into the forces eg aircraft carriers, f35, trident replacement etc - whether the priorities are right is a different question.

[themadhippy]

Its a defense budget,not a budget for toys to go poking our noses into other countries business or getting involve in other country's battles.Get rid of the lot,become a demilitarised country,no one wants to invade us as we got sweet fa worth having.

[Bob G]

Costa Rica has no military whatsoever.

They do have poisonous tree frogs though....

[mokjumbo]

What's this got to do with N gauge???

[guest311]

What's this got to do with N gauge???

nothing, hence it's in the 'general discussion' thread deah

[Bob G]

What's this got to do with N gauge???

Have you ever tried to model an N gauge tree frog?
Its a lot easier to model a tank.

[snitchthebudgie]

Have you ever tried to model an N gauge tree frog?
Its a lot easier to model a tank.

The problem is getting the poison to scale.....

[guest311]

If you don't have a blank cheque or magic money tree then you have to decide what is most important - getting rid of MBTs that are rarely used (and might require eventual replacement) might make sense if the money is used for something that is more use to the armed forces.

I don't think you can say investment hasn't been made into the forces eg aircraft carriers, f35, trident replacement etc - whether the priorities are right is a different question.

like we really needed 2 x aircraft carriers to defend ourselves !

let's be honest, our politicians, like all of their ilke, have delusions of grandure, but are not willing to actually fund them properly.

it's all on the cheap, and the poor bloddy infantry etc are the ones who pay the baill.

we used to have a great military medical support service, but now its a wing at an NHS hospital, most medical staff were made redundant, now reserves who normally work in the NHS,

military hospitals have been closed and sold off, and don't start me on the so called 'military covenant', that party after party have ignored and abused.

[themadhippy]

so why do we have a semi continuous stream of RIBs headings across the channel

To escape from countrys that the uk has either openly or covertly been involved in changing the regime because it dosnt fit "our" agenda.Often said countrys were fairly stable until outsiders tried to help.

[Calnefoxile]

Let's be sensible about this, this is not going to happen anytime soon.

Challenger 2 is about to go through a major upgrade, also Warrior & CVR (T)'s are about to be replaced by Ajax and Boxer. It was looked at replacing Challenger with a heavy version of Ajax.

Look where we've come to with Aircraft, when I joined the RAF in 1983, we had at least 7 different types of fighter/bomber aircraft, now we have 2 types of multi role aircraft. I suspect that eventually they will be replaced by drones of some sort.

Cheers

Neal

[Lawrence]

A lot of wokeness in replies to this thread. No win situation @class37025 we all know who will be first to complain when we cannot defend a minor, unimportant dependency like, say, The Falklands 

[guest311]

when we cannot defend a minor, unimportant dependency like, say, The Falklands 

of course, we will have the a/c carriers, and their F-35s, assuming the computers will allow the engines to start  :'(

but what chances of anything else.

could we manage the escorts for the carriers ?

probably not, what have we got now, about 20 combat vessels ?

no chance of repeating the Black Buck missions, no Vulcans or Victors any more, nor Nimrods, and even with '10s and Tristars, nothing able to do the Vulcan's work.

plus, at one time the forces owned their equipment, probably now on contract hire from Hertz and Boeing, pay per mile and clauses that say you can't do anything dangerous 

governments / politicians need to decide ..
either
we are a small, bankrupt island with no influence which does not need much more than a self defence force, mostly coastal patrol against RIBs and foreign fishermen
or
we aim to be a world power and need to have the resources and backbone to do so, which requires the will to fund / equip and support our forces

they cannot have it both ways, no matter how much they think they can.

[Lawrence]

Let's be sensible about this, this is not going to happen anytime soon.

Challenger 2 is about to go through a major upgrade, also Warrior & CVR (T)'s are about to be replaced by Ajax and Boxer. It was looked at replacing Challenger with a heavy version of Ajax.

Look where we've come to with Aircraft, when I joined the RAF in 1983, we had at least 7 different types of fighter/bomber aircraft, now we have 2 types of multi role aircraft. I suspect that eventually they will be replaced by drones of some sort.

Cheers

Neal

Lets face it, we have a couple of generations now who didn't live through Aden, Nigerian Civil War, The Cold Wars, The Falklands, Gulf War 1, Lebanon, Bosnia, Desert Fox, Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia and Syria. These are just some of the conflicts that our political leaders, of all colours, have involved UK service personnel in in my lifetime, for some of that time frame I was in uniform too.

They don't get it, my current boss has no idea that the reason he has the freedom to spout his anti war, anti establishment views is because a small number of under supported & under funded men and women stepped forward to support the freedoms we take for granted (that includes attached civilian staff) and for what, some woke lawyer taking them to court for doing the job the politicians ordered them to do!

Lets get one thing straight, no right thinking individual wants war, nobody really wants to lose lives and spend billions of pounds/dollars/euros etc defending what we take for granted but, unfortunately, there are those out there who are hell bent on ensuring we don't spend that budget on out NHS, our education, improved infrastructure and, therefore, we have to spend money of the likes of multi role aircraft, more agile ground attack vehicles and comprehensive (if civvie built) naval support.

You know as well as I do @Calnefoxile  that technology moves apace and that the MOD will never fund service personnel training to suitably keep up with it so all their civvy mates get nice big juicy contracts and that useless zobs get promoted to MOD desk jobs to perpetuate the farce.

To clarify, no right thinking individual wants war, but the woke generation have to understand that without a  military deterrent, their views would find them disappeared, ad infinitum.

To be brutally honest, the current pandemic has had a massive effect on the ability of the warmongers to  perpetuate their evil, so that is a good thing. Unfortunately it also gives them time to build up their arsenals so they are ready whenever we return to 'normal', and don't think the armament manufacturers have stopped selling their wares throughout all of this. So once Covid is done, you had better get your tin hats on because it will be like nothing you have seen before.

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[Railwaygun]

Calm down everyone - NGF is a refuge from the real world, so take the invective to Twitter please or we will lock this thread

NickR