Fish van train

[AdrianC]

Thanks for all the replies so far. Looks like Dapol for me then. I won't be running a full rake but a few split from 'the main train' to be hauled through Oxfordshire in the transition era - so maybe ½ a dozen. Luckily the article from AdrianC confirms the useage on my modelled area
Now to find the best prices

Thanks for the name check, because unless I missed something, my post appears to have disappeared....did I do something wrong!! 

[crewearpley40]

its the newport nobby rule 1 fish van special diverted maybe

[Thorpe Parva]

Thanks for all the replies so far. Looks like Dapol for me then. I won't be running a full rake but a few split from 'the main train' to be hauled through Oxfordshire in the transition era - so maybe ½ a dozen. Luckily the article from AdrianC confirms the useage on my modelled area
Now to find the best prices

The Grimsby-Whitland Fish ran on the GC mainline in the Transition Era. In the early 60s I used to cycle to Whetstone (just south of Leicester) at around 9PM as the train was usually hauled by an Immingham Loco & for many months these were Britannias in the series 70035 to 70041. The train would have left the GC at Woodford Halse and taken the link to Banbury and then GWR metals to Whitland. It was a very long train so fully justified in the Oxfordshire area. I don't know if the Loco was changed at Woodford or Banbury. I currently have all 11 Dapol Blue Spot vans + various appropriate Farish vans as I plan to run this train on my next layout which will be the GC in the transition era.

Hope this helps& happy to answer any questions.
David

[crewearpley40]

whitland carmarthenshire ?


https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2866


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[Bealman]

Adrian...

No, it's happened a couple of times lately. Your post has not disappeared. We will restore it, except for some reason, I can't from my phone.

NewportNobby should be able to fix it 

[Newportnobby]

I've found Adrian's post in the 'Junked' section but don't think I can move it to a specific thread so it would end up on its own in the N Gauge discussion section.
How it got junked I have absolutely no clue

Thanks to those giving me the ideal excuse for a fish train in Oxfordshire. The item in David's @Thorpe Parva 's post is just puffick

[Bealman]

We're looking at it, Adrian! 

[Newportnobby]

We're looking at Adrian! 

No messing about. Did some price and availability comparisons and ordered 1 each of 2F-019-005/6/7/8 from Hattons and 1 each of 2F-019-001/2 from Osborns so that's 6 wagons with differing running numbers (not that my squinty eyes can tell)

[crewearpley40]

What locos you thinking to haul them mick? Real enjoyed the thread. C

[exmouthcraig]

Mick, @martyn of this parish although east anglian specialist knowledge gave me a mass of info relating to fish train movements, I was hoping to run a full length of dapols but short of fabricating stories of lines closed and diversions via S&D to end up on SR metals I decided against it.

As @Thorpe Parva says via banbury so at least in the same county as you want on it's way south.

Peco wagons with peco wagons, pretty unobvious their wrong but peco and dapol dont and massively highlights the issues. We have a handful of each but will only run 2s or 3s as my 15/18 rake doesn't exist on SR  :'(

[Newportnobby]

Thanks, Craig.
Do you run yours with a brake van as I'm unsure whether these are fitted vans or not?

What locos you thinking to haul them mick? Real enjoyed the thread. C

Manor, Grange, Britannia, Black 5, Std 5 likely for steam.
Maybe a Hymek or Sulzer Type 2 for diesels.
Not sure Banbury had diesels allocated, Chris, so probably from further afield.

[crewearpley40]

look forward to hearing more mick sounds like fun proect

[NGS-PO]

Thanks, Craig.
Do you run yours with a brake van as I'm unsure whether these are fitted vans or not?

What locos you thinking to haul them mick? Real enjoyed the thread. C

Manor, Grange, Britannia, Black 5, Std 5 likely for steam.
Maybe a Hymek or Sulzer Type 2 for diesels.
Not sure Banbury had diesels allocated, Chris, so probably from further afield.

They're fitted.

But you'd need a brakevan regardless.......no?

The express fish from Aberdeen tended to run with an ex-big four BG.

[NeMo]

Golden rule, @NGS-PO, with brake vans is:

Pre-1968, yes, unless compelling reason not to include a brake van (e.g., 2-3 wagons being tripped a short distance and relying on locomotive's own brake force).

Post-1968, no, unless compelling reason to include a brake van (e.g., lengthy train of unfitted wagons).

Cheers, NeMo

PS. To be clear, the reason isn't technical but operational: until 67/68, there wasn't an agreement between the BR board and the railway unions to operate trains without a guard at the back of the train. After that time there was, and the guard moved into the locomotive (and was eventually eliminated entirely). So brake vans were not needed.

[NGS-PO]

Golden rule, @NGS-PO, with brake vans is:

Pre-1968, yes, unless compelling reason not to include a brake van (e.g., 2-3 wagons being tripped a short distance and relying on locomotive's own brake force).

Post-1968, no, unless compelling reason to include a brake van (e.g., lengthy train of unfitted wagons).

Cheers, NeMo

PS. To be clear, the reason isn't technical but operational: until 67/68, there wasn't an agreement between the BR board and the railway unions to operate trains without a guard at the back of the train. After that time there was, and the guard moved into the locomotive (and was eventually eliminated entirely). So brake vans were not needed.

Yes indeed, but I'm pretty sure @Newportnobby 's era is pre-1968 and so my reply was based on that.