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N scale
« on: February 10, 2017, 11:04:01 PM »
Why does the term N scale wind me up so much? It has always been N gauge in this country.

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Re: N scale
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2017, 11:11:06 PM »
Agreed. I tend to unconsciously translate 'N Scale' as meaning 1:160 à la US and Continental.
“We are indebted to those soldiers who served with courage and distinction to bring peace to Northern Ireland,” UK Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson said. “The welfare of our former service personnel is of the utmost importance.”

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Re: N scale
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2017, 11:15:34 PM »
Can't say it winds me up though. Does make me envious,  :drool: of some of kit available due to the larger market.
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Re: N scale
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2017, 11:21:43 PM »
I think it is the way Farish have switched to using the term. N 'scale' makes no sense.

They actually changed it to 'scale' on their 2008 catalogue, so I have had nearly a decade to get riled.
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Re: N scale
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2017, 11:37:53 PM »
 :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :beers:
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Re: N scale
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2017, 11:48:02 PM »
I think it is the way Farish have switched to using the term. N 'scale' makes no sense.

They actually changed it to 'scale' on their 2008 catalogue, so I have had nearly a decade to get riled.

Oh yes. I've never noticed that.  :-[ Probably an edict from head office.


Can't say it winds me up though. ...

So if we're talking about the misuse of 'N Scale' when talking about 'N Gauge' then I'm in full agreement with you @Elvinley - that does wind me up!  :veryangry: :censored: :veryangry:
« Last Edit: February 10, 2017, 11:53:23 PM by RailGooner »
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Re: N scale
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2017, 12:25:23 AM »
"N" as we use (or abuse) it refers to a specific combination (or rather three geographically distinct combinations) of Model to Prototype Linear Dimension Ratio (what we call Scale) and model track Gauge.

As those three geographically distinct combinations of Scale and Gauge share a common Gauge, "N-Gauge" is acceptable and valid as an overarching descriptive term. "N-Scale" is not, though perhaps "British N-Scale","German N-Scale" (yes - Arnold first used the 1:160 ratio not the Yanks ;) ) & "Japanese N-Scale" are meaningful and so tolerable...


Contrast that to the big boys who have 00, EM and P4 with a common scale but different gauges - "00-gauge"/"EM Gauge"/"P4 Gauge" are valid terms "00-Scale"/"EM-Scale" absolutely isn't, otherwise a "EM-gauge" model could also be labelled "00-Scale"  :doh:

And what about "009" Narrow Gauge modellers?? their models share that "N-Gauge" but are most definitely not "N-Scale" and although they share a common Scale with "00"/"EM"/"P4" they are not "00-gauge"/"EM Gauge"/"P4 Gauge". :hmmm:

In the real world; Call it whatever you like... Doesn't really matter... we'll know what you mean, though some pedant will always quibble...  ::)

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Re: N scale
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2017, 12:42:32 AM »
Oh, now I don't know if I'm wound up, a pedant, or just tired.  ???  I'll sleep on it a while.  :sleep: ;)
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Re: N scale
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2017, 08:18:14 AM »
"N" as we use (or abuse) it refers to a specific combination (or rather three geographically distinct combinations) of Model to Prototype Linear Dimension Ratio (what we call Scale) and model track Gauge.

As those three geographically distinct combinations of Scale and Gauge share a common Gauge, "N-Gauge" is acceptable and valid as an overarching descriptive term. "N-Scale" is not, though perhaps "British N-Scale","German N-Scale" (yes - Arnold first used the 1:160 ratio not the Yanks ;) ) & "Japanese N-Scale" are meaningful and so tolerable...


Contrast that to the big boys who have 00, EM and P4 with a common scale but different gauges - "00-gauge"/"EM Gauge"/"P4 Gauge" are valid terms "00-Scale"/"EM-Scale" absolutely isn't, otherwise a "EM-gauge" model could also be labelled "00-Scale"  :doh:

And what about "009" Narrow Gauge modellers?? their models share that "N-Gauge" but are most definitely not "N-Scale" and although they share a common Scale with "00"/"EM"/"P4" they are not "00-gauge"/"EM Gauge"/"P4 Gauge". :hmmm:

In the real world; Call it whatever you like... Doesn't really matter... we'll know what you mean, though some pedant will always quibble...  ::)
Ignorance is bliss. My limited number of brain cells are full up and, although the above is a very comprehensive explanation, I will continue to accept N scale or N gauge as an adequate representation of my modelling preference.
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Size matters - especially if you don't have a lot of space - and N gauge is the answer!

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Re: N scale
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2017, 08:53:12 AM »
Why does the term N scale wind me up so much? It has always been N gauge in this country.

They can call it a cup of tea for all I care ... t'will always be N Gauge to me. N Scale is something they use across the water from us as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: N scale
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2017, 09:06:02 AM »
If I'm assuming things correctly, I think the OP was a light hearted post. Let's not all get too carried away with it!  :beers:
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Re: N scale
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2017, 09:39:15 AM »
Long live N gauge and N scale _ whatever they are..
 :ngauge: Oh Drat. There isn't an N scale smiley. Now where's that Tank fella when you need him?
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Size matters - especially if you don't have a lot of space - and N gauge is the answer!

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Re: N scale
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2017, 09:43:14 AM »
I always thought that nwas a variable quantity, scale was something the dentist got rid of, and pedants were something you hung around the neck.

 :hmmm: :confused1:

Whatever the truth its all very Ngaugeing. :D
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Re: N scale
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2017, 09:47:23 AM »

Whatever the truth its all very Ngaugeing. :D
Are you sure you don't mean Nscaling Daffy?
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Size matters - especially if you don't have a lot of space - and N gauge is the answer!

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Re: N scale
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2017, 10:00:33 AM »
Long live N gauge and N scale _ whatever they are..
 :ngauge: Oh Drat. There isn't an N scale smiley. Now where's that Tank fella when you need him?
  :D

Boo!   :D

 

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