DMU second/third car?

petercharlesfagg · January 21, 2016, 12:54:56 PM

Friends, I am interested in the transpennines DMU, Dapol ND114H-U, but cannot locate anywhere on the 'net a second or third car, does such exist?

Peter.

Dr Al · January 21, 2016, 12:57:50 PM

The class 153 is only a single car unit, so there is no second car - though could be connected in mutiple with other 153s or DMUs.

Cheers,
Alan

johnlambert · January 21, 2016, 02:29:21 PM

Dapol does unpowered versions of the 153 and 156 which you could run together with the powered Transpennine unit. I run a powered and unpowered Regional Railways 153 on my layout sometimes.

In real life the 153 could also run with Class 150 and 170 DMUs (possibly others too) but Dapol chose a different type of coupling from the Rapido type so a Dapol 153 won't couple to a Graham Farish 150.

jrb · January 21, 2016, 03:21:38 PM

Quote from: Only Me on January 21, 2016, 02:58:13 PM
It has the Schaffenburg coupler so can only couple to itself ie another 153. They also fall off pretty easily

So, the dummy car goes in front then?!?!

Karhedron · January 21, 2016, 03:23:42 PM

Quote from: jrb on January 21, 2016, 03:21:38 PM
So, the dummy car goes in front then?!?!

Better than my case where the dummy is the one holding the controlling.

jpendle · January 21, 2016, 05:33:42 PM

I think the 153 is essentially half a 156 with some mods. So if you want a 3 car unit, it would be a 156 (or other DMU) plus a 153. A 2 car unit would be just a 156, I don't think I've ever seen 2 153's running together, but I sure someone will disabuse me of that notion pretty soon.

Regards,

John P

GroupC · January 21, 2016, 05:47:18 PM

Peter

I don't know anything about your question but would just say that it's great to see you posting here again! Welcome back, I hope all is going well. Happy DMU-ing.

robert shrives · January 21, 2016, 07:05:22 PM

Hi ,
Yep 153s are normally singular beasts but have started to rejoin with benefits for the public, if not the crew if small cabs are outerends.

the Dapol Shafenburg is a tomix product in all but name and is a clip fit into the chassis , it can be removed and NEM pockets fitted. Spares - no chance I have had 20 on order from Japan a while now.
The tomix coupler is great for attaching before running but "on stage uncoupling" is not possible. I am moving toward pocket fitting and hopefully by using the easy shunt have portion working. What will be good is a tomix head with NEM shank in several lengths so it can look right as they do look a bit like the real BSI in the gloom under the front of sprinters.
Robert

PLD · January 21, 2016, 11:47:50 PM

Quote from: jpendle on January 21, 2016, 05:33:42 PM
I think the 153 is essentially half a 156 with some mods. So if you want a 3 car unit, it would be a 156 (or other DMU) plus a 153. A 2 car unit would be just a 156, I don't think I've ever seen 2 153's running together, but I sure someone will disabuse me of that notion pretty soon.

Regards,

John P

The 153s were created by splitting class 155s rather than 156s...
The 155s were built by Leyland and have a flatter bodyside profile and more smaller windows than the Metro Cammell built 156s.

Northern Rail's 153s most commonly work in multiple with 150s and 156s but do also work together - I've seen three of them in multiple a few times, and on one occasion a few years ago a 155+153+156 lash-up on a Hull-Sheffield service (normally worked by 158s either singly or in pairs)!

edwin_m · January 22, 2016, 10:27:31 AM

With increasing demand for train travel a lot of the routes where BR assumed a single 153 would be adequate now need something bigger. Consequently there seems to be quite a bit of pairing up of 153s. If they continue in service beyond 2020 they will have to meet new accessibility standards including wheelchair-accessible toilets which take up a large slice of the space in a single car. There is some speculation that this will result in them being re-combined into 2-car units with one toilet per unit, but also suggestions that 153s have structural problems that may see them scrapped before 2020.

robert shrives · January 22, 2016, 10:36:31 AM

Hi
153s have a corrosion problem highlighted when vinyls removed ! Story has it Anglia ones were quite bad but this might also be aided to sea air in the area of operation.

I can see 153s being inserted into 156 units as these sets have UAT - Universal access toilets (TLA alert ! ) already and the small toilet would not need changing.

Given recent announcements for Arriva/ DB northern franchise with pacers out and new stock in a time of change and reforms possible. anything possible
Robert

mr bachmann · January 22, 2016, 11:36:45 AM

When converted to 153's the units had a small driving cab on one end , with crews expected to stand , rail unions stepped in and this was a no no and a seat was installed , but there was little room for 'larger' drivers , and again seating was re-arranged to what 153's have to date .
153's commonly nicknamed Dog Box's .

petercharlesfagg · January 22, 2016, 12:04:44 PM

Friends,

Sincethe initial enquiry was concerning a second or third car and it appears that it was not usual to do so, I have changed my ideas!

I have taken a fancy to the Dapol First GW book-set instead!

Many thanks for all the information, Peter.