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Author Topic: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT  (Read 9749 times)

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Re: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT
« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2015, 11:55:57 AM »

I'm debating whether it is worth drawing up a simple etch for the grilles, and the best method to produce the measuring equipment (I've got plenty of photos to work from).

Cheers, Mike

Would be nice to see what you can do Mike.
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Re: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2015, 06:42:37 PM »
Got the detailing parts through the post!
Prepainted hoses!!!!

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Re: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT
« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2015, 09:02:55 PM »
I have both of the first run of DVT's. These being 82116 and 82132. Got my new rake of Mk3's the other day and yes, I spotted the difference in colour straight away once on track :doh: I am very tempted to mask the DVT's up and spray them the correct shade. But, saying that, the Mk3's look a little too black to me? I think that may be just me though...

These being

5 x 2P-005-232 TSO
1 x 2P-005-211 Buffet
1 x 2P-005-221 TFO
1 x 2P-005-222 TFO

Yes, I know I have 5 of the same TSO (You can't spot the numbers that easy) :P But, at 15.95 for the TSO's, this was not to be frowned upon.

Another issue I spotted, was with the Buffet 2P-005-211. The first class yellow band is the full length of the coach, this should only be a half yellow band over the seating area. Easy job to rectify though also with the airbrush (Bloody hell, its a good job I'm pretty good with an airbrush and masking!) oh, and also add the 2 missing number 1's next the doors on the Buffet.

Oh dear Dapol :no: 

Cheers, Anthony
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Re: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT
« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2015, 09:28:41 PM »
Yep you got those TSOs for a good price, I'd have done the same!

The black band on the coaches is a little too dark, but at least it's consistent between coaches. I'd rather have a range of products that are consistent in colour than the current greyscale rainbow of disappointment...

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Re: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT
« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2015, 10:21:13 PM »
Think I must be colour-blind ... anyway, it's way too late for my layout  :P

But ... with reference to Karhedron's piccie on the previous page - what's the problem  ???  It looks OK to me  :confused1:

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Re: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT
« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2015, 08:43:52 AM »
Yes, I can agree with you there JB...All these things are not major issues but, what annoys me aswell as a lot of other modellers is the price we are now having to pay, and for what? Wrongly produced items. I'm far from a box modeller, and I do enjoy re spraying, detailing etc but, it is nice from time to time especially with coaches and wagons, to just take them from the box and play.

I think Dapol need to have a word with Stevie Wonder when deciding on the final colour scheme :hmmm: never mind countless other faults with other releases. But, that's another story for another thread...

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Re: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT
« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2015, 10:44:07 AM »
Hi gang for my 50 pence worth. It was a very long time ago but from the first batch of Mk3s the ground swell oppinon was the grey was too washed out on the INTERCITY version and second batch was a true colour Falcon grey. Now it seems oppinion is that it is too dark. The subtle variation between exec grey and Falcon is a pain in paint shades and fun matching in tampo print ink and yes I am sure relating our almost OCD preoccupation to the chinese must raise a smile or eyebrow abroad....!
I recall an Oxely MK2 with so much patch painting it was an excellent patch quilt in appearance. Washed out grey, gloss and matt falcon and rust! The falcon was not colour fast. It might be an ideal for all coaches to be an exact match but really this did not last long, only time I saw it was on the publicity train for the exec livery on the Copy pit line.

Having now seen the INTERCITY livery in the flesh at the Glasgow show it looks far better than in the brown cast pic seen on the dapol facebook pages and as noted livery elements are right and with 82101 having unique orange strip location correctly done is a nice touch.  Was was intresting was that the yellow DVT sold out in the first hour in Glasgow so lack of bits not spotted or folk off with plasticard to make good. It would be good for an etch or perhaps 3D print in FUD for lighting and gear. I thought the printed grill worked well, will need to find a good roof pic for that mod.
Hopefully Dapol will run a second batch with differing number!
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Re: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT
« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2015, 11:55:16 AM »
...It was a very long time ago but from the first batch of Mk3s the ground swell oppinon was the grey was too washed out on the INTERCITY version and second batch was a true colour Falcon grey. Now it seems oppinion is that it is too dark. The subtle variation between exec grey and Falcon is a pain in paint shades and fun matching in tampo print ink and yes I am sure relating our almost OCD preoccupation to the chinese must raise a smile or eyebrow abroad....!

I can't agree with you Robert, to be several years down the line and have a DVT released with the original livery error is unbelievable. Are we seriously to believe that nobody at Dapol was aware of this and had a chance to correct it. Do they not read any of the forums, do they not listen to any Customer feedback?

To be honest, I couldn't care that the paint shade was slightly off on the original livery design, and I'm willing to bet that 99% of the people who would eventually purchase the Mk3s wouldn't care. The issues arise when the manufacturer keeps changing the goal posts by changing the livery designs between production runs, leaving people like myself with a badly mismatch set of coaches.

If Dapol want to send me production samples in the future, I'll QA them against their existing models and let them know if the liveries match or not.


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Re: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2015, 11:59:34 AM »
The issues arise when the manufacturer keeps changing the goal posts by changing the livery designs between production runs, leaving people like myself with a badly mismatch set of coaches.
I wonder whether this is due to changes at the factory(ies) Dapol use. The latest run of GWR coaches are much lighter than the original ones and the discrepancy is worse (if possible) than that between the DVT and current Mk3 coaches.
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2015, 12:19:22 PM »
Still no excuse Karhedron, presumably somebody at Dapol chooses these colours and makes a note of the ones used last. Sorry to hear about the GWR coaches.

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Re: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT
« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2015, 12:31:05 PM »
I was browsing youtube recently and found film of the west coast with buffet cars with a complete yellow stripe as well as red/yellow, so it looks like either could be correct.

I also found a couple of buffets with second class stripe over the kitchen area and first class stripe over the seated area, giving 3 variations so far!

Cheers
Mark
« Last Edit: February 25, 2015, 01:02:27 PM by scruff »

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Re: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT
« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2015, 01:12:44 PM »
100's of thousands of companies across the globe seem to be able to send a pantone colour ref number to another company and then get the precise pantone colour printed.....so why do Dapol have such problems in this area?

Some people seem to be saying that this is hard to do..... it really is not and if the end company fail to produce the referenced colour then the product would be sent back....so either Dapol have made a mistake or the Chinese factory have made a mistake...either way it should be a product recall instead of foisting yet another substandard product that will further undermine Dapol's, already fragile, reputation.

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Re: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT
« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2015, 01:39:37 PM »
It's all Chinese to me :D

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Re: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT
« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2015, 01:55:36 PM »

Another issue I spotted, was with the Buffet 2P-005-211. The first class yellow band is the full length of the coach, this should only be a half yellow band over the seating area. Easy job to rectify though also with the airbrush (Bloody hell, its a good job I'm pretty good with an airbrush and masking!) oh, and also add the 2 missing number 1's next the doors on the Buffet.

Oh dear Dapol :no: 

Cheers, Anthony



Hold fire with that Airbrush!!!   As always there is a prototype for everything (*exception to the rule is a Swallow livered Mk3 DVT in a different shade of grey to the Swallow Mk3 coaches in the rake :doh:)

Here's an HST with a full yellow stripe 'buffet'...
https://flic.kr/p/62h1e9  http://www.hondawanderer.com/43034_Highworth_Junction_1994.htm


If you still want to get the airbrush out you've got many a variation posible...

* Yellow/Grey    https://flic.kr/p/9YPzSZ  http://www.hondawanderer.com/43146_Twerton_1994.htm
* Yellow/Red     http://www.hondawanderer.com/43066_Beeston_1990.htm
* Grey/Red        https://flic.kr/p/ivST4P  http://www.hondawanderer.com/43106_Worting_Junction_1991.htm
* All Grey!         https://flic.kr/p/9zjX9x  http://www.hondawanderer.com/43084_Cholsey_1994.htm  (looks like XC sets had the all grey band)


Oh for those kaleidoscopic days...

Paul

« Last Edit: February 25, 2015, 01:58:59 PM by bigP »

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Re: Dapol Mk3 Intercity DVT
« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2015, 01:58:10 PM »
Here's an HST witha full yellow stripe buffet...
http://www.hondawanderer.com/43034_Highworth_Junction_1994.htm

Look at the poor tracklaying on that siding on the left. Hasn't he ever heards of a tracksetta?  :laughabovepost:
« Last Edit: February 25, 2015, 02:00:04 PM by Karhedron »
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

 

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