NGS present day commissions

Ben A · January 20, 2014, 11:18:05 AM

Hi Jon,

Your ideas are models I'd like too, but would be new tooling and for cost reasons this project was only ever about a relivery.

I appreciate that you may not have seen the Carillion auto ballasters but I mentioned a photo in Rail Express last month. I've never seen 60099 in Tata steel livery but I've just done a model of it!

Cheers

Ben.

PostModN66 · January 20, 2014, 11:48:29 AM

Quote from: Ben A on January 20, 2014, 11:18:05 AM
I appreciate that you may not have seen the Carillion auto ballasters but I mentioned a photo in Rail Express last month. I've never seen 60099 in Tata steel livery but I've just done a model of it!

Aahh - you've got me on the ropes. Put me down for three!

(taking it that it would be just the non-gen version - I guess you need me to say "300" to make it a goer though!)

Cheers Jon

Sipat · January 20, 2014, 12:39:54 PM

I would have 5 of the VT Choc/cream TSO's if there was a plan to do the BSO as that would enable a complete rake with the BF Umber Metcamm pullmans.
Alas I am not a memeber of the NGS either...
Steve

CarriageShed · January 20, 2014, 01:53:32 PM

Quote from: Ben A on January 19, 2014, 11:32:26 PM
We are within six weeks of the deadline ands none of the offered models is even remotely near the 350 threshold. The nearest is the Carillion autoballaster with less than 20 expressions of interest.

That's a shame. Any attempt to increase the variety of rolling stock for N Gauge is a good thing. Unfortunately, this offering isn't for me as I'm primarily modelling 1930.

Jim Martin · January 21, 2014, 11:27:51 PM

This is all very disappointing. I put my name down for the NR coach a while ago and the idea of it has been growing on me, so I'll be sorry if it doesn't happen. As a matter of interest, how well do unashamedly modern wagons in kit form (the PNAs, say, or the post-1998 version of the Salmon) sell compared with transition-era kits?

Jim

Calnefoxile · January 21, 2014, 11:52:34 PM

For those on the ngauge-modern Yahoo group, I apologise for cross posting this.....

I think one thing has been overlooked here and that's something that I'm currently researching with Adam Warr and that is The Royal Train. I know this may step on Adams business toes a bit here, but there is the rest of the rake. Also all of the coaches in the rake from 1977 onwards are available from both Dapol and Farish.

Surely there are enough coaches in that rake to allow something to be made that would be suitable for many NGS members. The longevity of most of the coaches in The Royal Train would surely make it an ideal candidate if the NGS criteria was applied.

The Royal train was upgraded in 1977, when the Queens and Duke of Edinburgh's Pre-Nationalisation coaches were upgraded to modern MK3's and the MK1's and MK2's were replaced in the mid 80's by newer MK2's and MK3's and most of them are still running today.

Agreed the coaches are pretty much one-offs, but no more one-offs than the Inspection Saloon. So in reality you could take your pick out of any of the coaches in the Royal Train, and if a new build commission was allowed, then one of the pre-nationalisation coaches would again fulfil the NGS criteria.

Just my 2'penneth worth, oh and sorry Ben none of them appeal to me as all far too modern for someone like me stuck between 1975 & 1985, although I have bought an Inspection Saloon and 2 snowploughs and ordered 2 of the latest RTR offering

Regards

Neal.

pape_timmo · January 22, 2014, 12:01:37 AM

I've literally just finished my Royal Train, but I must say, if someone produced it rtr, I'd definitely buy it.

But the window arrangement is the problem, hence it won't happen from Dapol. Could be done by Farish on the Mk3 shells tho, as their windows are only printed.

Cheers, Timmo

Ben A · January 22, 2014, 01:44:03 AM

Hello all,

Steve: we can only do one model at a time. If we do the choc cream TSO then there'd be a strong case for the BSO. However, even with just the TSOs and a mk1 choc/cream brake the train would be more authentic than not, surely?

I understand a TSO with a BSO would be ideal, but if that's not possible surely having a TSO is a good start, better than nothing?

Neil, Tim. The Royal train is interesting but I thought nearly all the vehicles have been modified? I'm reluctant to use Farish mk3s as they are old generation tooling; are any of the other vehicles suitable? Do you think people would be happy with a single vehicle using old tooling? I can see the "useless without a full rake" posts now!!

Cheers

Ben A.

pape_timmo · January 22, 2014, 01:52:33 AM

Hi Ben,

Yes, I think all the vehicles are modified, except possibly the Mk 2 brake vehicle 2920, which may be very similar to the DRS escort coach that Farish have just done. The other Mk 2, 2921 has vent grilles where the generator is fitted, and just about all the Mk3s have modified window arrangements.

Plus the Queens saloon, and Prince Charles saloon have double doors at one end so they can alight gracefully.

So I understand this wouldn't be an easy repaint, except for Farish, as their window arrangements are printed on the Mk3, not moulded, but yes it is old tooling, and not up to modern standards.

Saying that though, the Farish printing has come a long way, and the later Mk3s do look better than earlier ones.

Cheers, Timmo

Ben A · January 22, 2014, 02:00:45 AM

Hi Tim,

The Mk3 saloons appear to have modified profiles where the wider doors have been fitted so I'm not sure these could be printed on easily. However if we were to consider another run of vehicles this could be debated before the final list is settled on. 2920 might be a better candidate. Depending when the conversions were done, might these vehicles also suit sectorization era modellers?

Cheers

Ben A.

Calnefoxile · January 22, 2014, 07:43:25 AM

Ben,

According to info I've found so far, 2920 was converted in 1986. So perfect for sectorization era modellers right upto ultra modern modellers.

Also don't forget Bachmann have just done the MK1Sleeper 2908 in Royal Train livery and I think there is another Sleeper in the modern rake that is a MK3, which Farish have released in Blue/Grey.

Ooohhh now there's a thought, what about a MK3 sleeper in a modern livery like FGW or the Scottish Sleeper?? People would need 3 or 4 of them in a rake.

Regards

Neal.

StufromEGDL · January 22, 2014, 08:01:21 AM

Hi Neal,

Yes....a First Group liveried sleeper could be decalled to either FGW or ScotRail with little effort if the base livery was done....

Royal train coaches, I'm not so keen on....you would have to be a member of the NGS to get one and a member of the Bachmann Club to get another....just need Dapol to do a 'Royal' Mk3 as a Club Special and the Club memberships are all sewn up...

Stu from EGDL.

pape_timmo · January 22, 2014, 08:17:15 AM

Hi Ben,

Only 2 Royal Mk3s have modified doors at one end, 2904, the Queens saloon, and 2922, the Prince of Wales saloon. All the others are standard Mk3 doors.

I do understand though that this would be a niche market.

Neal,

The Mk3 sleeper in the rake does have a modified window arrangement, so tweeking of the prints will be required. It seems none of the coaches, except possibly 2920 are standard window arrangements.

Stu,
I would love a train of Mk3 sleepers in both Scotrail and FGW liveries, with accompanying day coaches too, I know Farish do runs of the Scotrail one, but not FGW neon lines livery.

Cheers, Timmo

Sipat · January 22, 2014, 09:03:47 AM

Quote from: Ben A on January 22, 2014, 01:44:03 AM
Steve: we can only do one model at a time. If we do the choc cream TSO then there'd be a strong case for the BSO. However, even with just the TSOs and a mk1 choc/cream brake the train would be more authentic than not, surely?
I understand a TSO with a BSO would be ideal, but if that's not possible surely having a TSO is a good start, better than nothing?

Agreed... I would certainly comprimise on the brake, but not having membership rules me out even if I was to join now. I may join one day but I have a limited modelling budget and I spend what I have on tangible things!
Steve

bees · January 22, 2014, 09:10:41 AM

Hi there,

I am not a member of NGS, but reading this struck me with something. I would not be interested in any of the offerings anyway, however, something I have noticed in the offing is that there is something which would quickly reach the numbers you are looking for would actually be simple, MkII TSO's are quite scarce anyway, whether in blue grey or inter city, if you see MkII's for sale on fleebay or just in shops, BSO's and buffets are always available bu TSO's are few and far between. Each rake always has up to 5 or 6 within but only one BSO and only cross country rakes would have a buffet!

As for the NSE argument, I was spotting in the 80's and remember vividly NSE MkII's in Manchester, both Piccadilly and Victoria, in Picc they would have been on either the Cardiff hauled by 33's & 50's and on charters too. In Victoria they would probably have been on Harwich PQ hauled by 47's.

If NSE livery was modelled, it's very easy to get Fox transfers Blue stripe to replace the Red and there you have a Provincial livery. Likewise with the Inter City livery, replace the Red stripe and you have ScotRail.

Steven