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Re: NGS present day commissions
« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2014, 09:12:52 AM »

Hi Stu

I am pretty sure the journal article stated clearly that the deadline for this project was the end of February.  I think there may be an element of "I won't bother because others will, I'll just order one later" but unfortunately these figures suggest that without everyone putting up, we won't reach the threshold.

I agree that not everyone is on the web, but I have posted this here, on RM Web and on the N Gauge Yahoo groups.

The images of the prototypes are, as has been said, on the first page of this thread.  There is plenty of information there but if you have specific questions to help you decide please ask and I will try to help.

At this stage all we need is an indication of interest, so just an email with your membership number and what you want to the NGS shop is enough, no money is required now hence no official pre-order form.

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Re: NGS present day commissions
« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2014, 09:21:07 AM »
Ben, I've just been on the NGS website perhaps I'm being dumb but where are the links to these proposed projects, also it would be nice to see some sort of pictures of the proposed models as not every one (including me) knows what they all are and look like.

They are on the first page of this thread :)

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Re: NGS present day commissions
« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2014, 09:29:27 AM »
Hi Ben,

As always, thanks for your efforts on this topic and I'm sorry you are encountering what must be very frustrating lack of response.

For what it's worth, my own lack of enthusiasm for the selected models is because

- I'm not really particularly interested in coaching stock per se.
- Network rail is over-represented on models (relatively scarce on the real railway) so I have decided not to go down that route. (And my modelling colleague, Neal, already has some NR equipment)
- Autoballasters are already available elsewhere in a more widespread livery.  If I were to buy a rake of them I would probably go for 10 of the Railtrack variant.  I have never seen the Carillion ones in real life

It occurs to me that some of the choices above are models that people would only buy in small numbers anyway.  I tend to save up and buy freight wagons by the train load, which means (to fit my traverser) ten bogie wagons or twenty short wheelbase four-wheel wagons at a time.  You would need relatively few of such orders to make up the numbers.

Hence my suggestion of the Cargowaggon pairs above.  You could put me down for six pairs of them!  But it is difficult to think of other wagons that haven't already been done; except:

Cargowaggon pairs
Modern TEA
White Lady bogie cement waggons
Car transporters (STVA two level or flats)

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Re: NGS present day commissions
« Reply #63 on: January 20, 2014, 11:18:05 AM »

Hi Jon,

Your ideas are models I'd like too, but would be new tooling and for cost reasons this project was only ever about a relivery.

I appreciate that you may not have seen the Carillion auto ballasters but I mentioned a photo in Rail Express last month.  I've never seen 60099 in Tata steel livery but I've just done a model of it!

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Re: NGS present day commissions
« Reply #64 on: January 20, 2014, 11:48:29 AM »
I appreciate that you may not have seen the Carillion auto ballasters but I mentioned a photo in Rail Express last month.  I've never seen 60099 in Tata steel livery but I've just done a model of it!

Aahh - you've got me on the ropes.  Put me down for three!  :)

(taking it that it would be just the non-gen version - I guess you need me to say "300" to make it a goer though!)

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Re: NGS present day commissions
« Reply #65 on: January 20, 2014, 12:39:54 PM »
I would have 5 of the VT Choc/cream TSO's if there was a plan to do the BSO as that would enable a complete rake with the BF Umber Metcamm pullmans.
Alas I am not a memeber of the NGS either...
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Re: NGS present day commissions
« Reply #66 on: January 20, 2014, 01:53:32 PM »
We are within six weeks of the deadline ands none of the offered models is even remotely near the 350 threshold.  The nearest is the Carillion autoballaster with less than 20 expressions of interest.

That's a shame. Any attempt to increase the variety of rolling stock for N Gauge is a good thing. Unfortunately, this offering isn't for me as I'm primarily modelling 1930.

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Re: NGS present day commissions
« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2014, 11:27:51 PM »
This is all very disappointing. I put my name down for the NR coach a while ago and the idea of it has been growing on me, so I'll be sorry if it doesn't happen. As a matter of interest, how well do unashamedly modern wagons in kit form (the PNAs, say, or the post-1998 version of the Salmon) sell compared with transition-era kits?

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Re: NGS present day commissions
« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2014, 11:52:34 PM »

For those on the ngauge-modern Yahoo group, I apologise for cross posting this.....

I think one thing has been overlooked here and that's something that I'm currently researching with Adam Warr and that is The Royal Train. I know this may step on Adams business toes a bit here, but there is the rest of the rake. Also all of the coaches in the rake from 1977 onwards are available from both Dapol and Farish.

Surely there are enough coaches in that rake to allow something to be made that would be suitable for many NGS members. The longevity of most of the coaches in The Royal Train would surely make it an ideal candidate if the NGS criteria was applied.

The Royal train was upgraded in 1977, when the Queens and Duke of Edinburgh's Pre-Nationalisation coaches were upgraded to modern MK3's and the MK1's and MK2's were replaced in the mid 80's by newer MK2's and MK3's and most of them are still running today.

Agreed the coaches are pretty much one-offs, but no more one-offs than the Inspection Saloon. So in reality you could take your pick out of any of the coaches in the Royal Train, and if a new build commission was allowed, then one of the pre-nationalisation coaches would again fulfil the NGS criteria.

Just my 2'penneth worth, oh and sorry Ben none of them appeal to me as all far too modern for someone like me stuck between 1975 & 1985, although I have bought an Inspection Saloon and 2 snowploughs and ordered 2 of the latest RTR offering

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Re: NGS present day commissions
« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2014, 12:01:37 AM »
I've literally just finished my Royal Train, but I must say, if someone produced it rtr, I'd definitely buy it.

But the window arrangement is the problem, hence it won't happen from Dapol. Could be done by Farish on the Mk3 shells tho, as their windows are only printed.

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Re: NGS present day commissions
« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2014, 01:44:03 AM »


Hello all,

Steve:  we can only do one model at a time.  If we do the choc cream TSO then there'd be a strong case for the BSO. However, even with just the TSOs and a mk1 choc/cream brake the train would be more authentic than not, surely?

I understand a TSO with a BSO would be ideal, but if that's not possible surely having a TSO is a good start, better than nothing?

Neil, Tim. The Royal train is interesting but I thought nearly all the vehicles have been modified?  I'm reluctant to use Farish mk3s as they are old generation tooling; are any of the other vehicles suitable?  Do you think people would be happy with a single vehicle using old tooling?  I can see the "useless without a full rake" posts now!!

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Re: NGS present day commissions
« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2014, 01:52:33 AM »
Hi Ben,

Yes, I think all the vehicles are modified, except possibly the Mk 2 brake vehicle 2920, which may be very similar to the DRS escort coach that Farish have just done. The other Mk 2, 2921 has vent grilles where the generator is fitted, and just about all the Mk3s have modified window arrangements.

Plus the Queens saloon, and Prince Charles saloon have double doors at one end so they can alight gracefully.

So I understand this wouldn't be an easy repaint, except for Farish, as their window arrangements are printed on the Mk3, not moulded, but yes it is old tooling, and not up to modern standards.

Saying that though, the Farish printing has come a long way, and the later Mk3s do look better than earlier ones.

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Re: NGS present day commissions
« Reply #72 on: January 22, 2014, 02:00:45 AM »

Hi Tim,

The Mk3 saloons appear to have modified profiles where the wider doors have been fitted so I'm not sure these could be printed on easily.  However if we were to consider another run of vehicles this could be debated before the final list is settled on. 2920 might be a better candidate. Depending when the conversions were done, might these vehicles also suit sectorization era modellers?

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Re: NGS present day commissions
« Reply #73 on: January 22, 2014, 07:43:25 AM »
Ben,

According to info I've found so far, 2920 was converted in 1986. So perfect for sectorization era modellers right upto ultra modern modellers.

Also don't forget Bachmann have just done the MK1Sleeper 2908 in Royal Train livery and I think there is another Sleeper in the modern rake that is a MK3, which Farish have released in Blue/Grey.

Ooohhh now there's a thought, what about a MK3 sleeper in a modern livery like FGW or the Scottish Sleeper?? People would need 3 or 4 of them in a rake.

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« Reply #74 on: January 22, 2014, 08:01:21 AM »
Hi Neal,

Yes....a First Group liveried sleeper could be decalled to either FGW or ScotRail with little effort if the base livery was done....

Royal train coaches, I'm not so keen on....you would have to be a member of the NGS to get one and a member of the Bachmann Club to get another....just need Dapol to do a 'Royal' Mk3 as a Club Special and the Club memberships are all sewn up...

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