it's the final countdown! farish 13/14 catalogue..

[Ollie3440]

Yikes

I can see why you've gone full time now

I only ordered just over £700 worth

This is why I don't mind delays on products, more time to save for it all!

Ollie

[Pengi]

So have their pre-order options, just hope that all the pre-orders I've placed today don't come out all together, I could be in serious trouble with the bank.   

I'm sure you will be delighted with your Grampian Voyager

Go wash your mouth out Pengy, GWR and Southern kettles only, proper engines, not cans on wheels.   

Methinks the lady protests too much - particularly as she has a Blue Pullman and a FGW HST

Does anyone know if the Grampian Voyager is just the old version with a new name on it or whether it has been updated with a new engine (that would allow it to keep up with my Blue Pullman)

[stevieboy]

With the timescales involved in obtaining some of last years (or the years before that) releases, I'm going to put some pre-orders in on the basis that the economy will have recovered, the county will be in the black and my salary will have increased above the rate of inflation......



...... I think I'll just stick to 3 

[daveg]

Stone the crows Ollie! 

Fabulous list. I thought I'd was pushing it with £500 on pre-order. Mind you, ignoring any financial commitment, I've only got a 72x30 board currently so I'm totally overstocked already.

I guess that your order will arrive over the next 6/12 months rather than in a one drop container load! Do you have any info on when particular items may be reaching our shores?

Dave G

[westie7]

A thought.

If we are going to get the Scotrail liveried 47/7 and the DBSO, but for now Farish are only producing the IC and Blue/grey coaches.
Does that mean there might be Scotrail coaches in a subsequent year or will someone take the plunge and commission ltd ed Scotrail Mk2FO & SO?

If there is now sign I'll have to see how easy that red stripe changes to blue

[Sprintex]

I guess that your order will arrive over the next 6/12 months ...

I'm sure that's a typo

With a list as long as Ollie's, and the rate that these things ACTUALLY appear,  surely you meant to type "6/12 years"?


Paul

[daveg]

I guess that your order will arrive over the next 6/12 months ...

I'm sure that's a typo

With a list as long as Ollie's, and the rate that these things ACTUALLY appear,  surely you meant to type "6/12 years"?


Paul

   

Dave G

[MJKERR]

If we are going to get the Scotrail liveried 47/7 and the DBSO, but for now Farish are only producing the IC and Blue/grey coaches.
Does that mean there might be Scotrail coaches in a subsequent year or will someone take the plunge and commission ltd ed Scotrail Mk2FO & SO?

If there is now sign I'll have to see how easy that red stripe changes to blue

I do wonder if Farish and Dapol talk together (we will do the 47/7 and DBSO if you do the Mark 3 coaches)

I am currently building up a rolling stock and allocation list for Glasgow Queen Street between 1986 and 1996, so the following may help

There was only one Mark 2F FO in ScotRail livery, the rest were Mark 2E
Four Mark 2F FO in Blue / Grey livery were used briefly in 1986 whilst the Mark 3A FO coaches were converted into CO
Equally, just prior to that following the Polmont accident the DBSO were temporarily taken out of service, and some of the rakes around that time had very unusual formations with reallocated BSO and BFK included (and many of these remained in Scotland afterwards)
The remaining coaches were Mark 2D TSO and TSO(T) in ScotRail livery, although again there were a small number in Blue / Grey livery
I suspect Farish are waiting until this old body is retooled and replaced

This leaves the rather unique five Mark 2 TSO coaches converted to Air Brakes with disc brakes, also in ScotRail livery (there were others, but they remained in Blue / Grey and some were reallocated)
Again, this could be an option for Farish (but most likely using Vinyls will probably be the only option)

In 1990 some INTERCITY livery coaches were used briefly as the remaining ScotRail livery coaches were refurbished and reallocated
Some also had the INTERCITY logos painted out, and some of the Mark 2D and 2E TSO even had the red stripe painted over with blue

This leaves the Mark 3A coaches
I suspect Dapol will step in and fill this void, with a FO, TSO, and (hopefully) CO
Equally, there are four livery versions possible
A Original Blue / Grey with SC prefix and numbers, FO and TSO
B Original ScotRail (experimental livery), TSO
C ScotRail, CO and TSO
D unbranded INTERCITY, TSO

[Karhedron]

I do wonder if Farish and Dapol talk together (we will do the 47/7 and DBSO if you do the Mark 3 coaches)

They do talk to each but they don't simply lay out their plans for the next few years. It seems to be more like a complicated game of poker. Each party reveals certain information if they feel it will not damage their plans and if it will help to safeguard their "turf".

A good example is the Hawksworth coaches. The NGS was initially planning to release a Hawksworth K45 BG via Dapol. A week after the announcement, they switched to producing a K41 instead.

This implies that both Dapol and the NGS were unaware of Farish's plans at the time of the annoucement. However I suspect that Farish sent a descrete message about their plans afterwards. After all, duplication is not in anyone's interest and I am sure both parties are keen to avoid a repeat of the B1 incident.

[MJKERR]

They do talk to each but they don't simply lay out their plans for the next few years

I am glad Dapol took the gamble with the Class 66, one of the rare occasions of duplication and where it has worked

How different it would be if Dapol considered a Class 37 or 47...
However Farish are slowly expanding on their DCC Class 37 and 47 chassis (which is now 5 years old)

I still hark back to models and kit building, the owner should be able to purchase a base model and then complete it as they see fit
A plain grey body would probably sell like hot cakes...

[Karhedron]

A plain grey body would probably sell like hot cakes...

I am not so sure. Heljan tried making un-numbered models a few years ago with transfers to allow modellers to finish the models themselves. Most ended up in the bargain bins of places like Hattons long after the numbered models had sold out.

The NGS has produced small numbers of unpainted versions of some of their models but usually only a small number for those who want obscure liveries.

[bridgiesimon]

I believe Dapol did that with un numbered br large logo blue 73s and found they were very slow sellers, much slower than numbered units.
Simon

[red_death]

I still hark back to models and kit building, the owner should be able to purchase a base model and then complete it as they see fit
A plain grey body would probably sell like hot cakes...

Dapol reckoned thier un-numbered large logo 73s sold poorly.

If people are willing to re-paint then stripping the body isn't that big an issue.

Cheers, Mike

[MJKERR]

Dapol reckoned thier un-numbered large logo 73s sold poorly

The Class 73 has limited appeal, I've never bought one
The model really needs to be one with mass appeal and would be seen anywhere on the British Rail network

[Karhedron]

It does not matter. You are saying that unbranded or unpainted models would sell well. Manufacturer experience shows that they are consistently worse sellers than their fully decorated counterparts.

I am sure that 37s outsells 73s but there is no reason to suppose than an unpainted 37 would sell any better in percentage terms than a 73. If only a small percentage of modellers want unpainted models then it does not matter what the prototype is.