rake of 4 SR mk1 corridor stock inc brake,SK,buffet and FSK. BR era preffered

http://www.ehattons.com/52825/Graham_Farish_372_329_Standard_Class_3MT_2_6_2_Tank_82041_BR_lined_green_with_late_crest/StockDetail.aspx

Would one of these work? Looks good, small enough to represent a smaller working and apparently good runners.

Only a suggestion 

The 3MT would suit it fine, or for something a little bigger the standard 2-6-4 4MT tank:

http://www.ehattons.com/52831/Graham_Farish_372_536_Class_4MT_Tank_2_6_4_80119_BR_lined_black_with_late_crest/StockDetail.aspx

Or the 5MT...

http://www.ehattons.com/38723/Graham_Farish_372_725_Standard_Class_5MT_4_6_0_73068_in_BR_lined_green_with_late_crest_BR1C_tender/StockDetail.aspx

Obviously, something like a Bulleid Light Pacific would be seen on even a short rake of carriages, and for soemthing a little more 'modern', perhaps this:

http://www.ehattons.com/58901/Dapol_Model_Railways_2D_001_001D_Class_33_0_diesel_locomotive_D6571_in_BR_green_with_no_yellow_panel_DCC_fitted/StockDetail.aspx

Not being too anal about this, but if you wanted soemthing to limit your choice, a rough rule of thumb would have later crest locos operating with green carriages. The earlier crest would be atop blood and custard stock, with a little overlap...both the crests and the carriage liveries changed in about 1956.

Quote from: Claude Dreyfus on September 18, 2012, 01:19:14 PM
a rough rule of thumb would have later crest locos operating with green carriages. The earlier crest would be atop blood and custard stock, with a little overlap...both the crests and the carriage liveries changed in about 1956.

There was quite a considerable overlap. Locomotives were still being withdrawn carrying the early crest well into the '60s, and crim-cream coaching stock was still present in ever decreasing numbers up to around 1960. It was entirely possible to see a solid crim-cream train hauled by a late crest locomotive, and vice versa, but also common were mixed rakes of Green/Maroon trains with crim-cream coaches.

If you wanted to be particular, I would look at the formation itself rather than the livery/locomotive. Buffets weren't common in 4 sets, BSK/CK/CK/BSK would be more my choice

As to locomotive, I'd go with the 3MT 2-6-2T, 4MT 2-6-4T, 4MT 2-6-0, 5MT 4-6-0 or a Green BRCW type 3 (class 33) out of the currently available models, or maybe one of the forthcoming Dapol Bulleid Light Pacifics.

Agree with the above - 2MT, 4MT or 5MT.

The Dapol class 33 may be a while yet, but you may be able to pick up the old Farish version item 371-128 D6577.
Nice little runner if not very detailed.

Quote from: Zunnan on September 18, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
It was entirely possible to see a solid crim-cream train hauled by a late crest locomotive, and vice versa, but also common were mixed rakes of Green/Maroon trains with crim-cream coaches.

Mixed trains make really interesting models...but it is interesting that so few appear on models.

As stated previously the formation is not common on the Southern, except prehaps as a portion of a Cross Country service in which case a Standard Class 4, 2-6-4T or 2-6-0 or a WC/BB pacific would be suitable. Adding another BSK and SK/TSO would give you more options.

Roger

Having a small but varied collection of BR early & late crest coaches and locos, I find the idea of a train formed of differing coaching stock and hauled by a later liveried loco very interesting.

Does anyone know if this feature was peculiar to Southern operations during the "late crest" period or was it common in other regions as well?

Regard

Ray

Quote from: Zunnan on September 18, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
Buffets weren't common in 4 sets, BSK/CK/CK/BSK would be more my choice

But might not a buffet form part of an originally longer train coming to the end of its journey after shedding some slip coaches on the way?

Quote from: keithfre on September 18, 2012, 06:41:55 PM

Quote from: Zunnan on September 18, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
Buffets weren't common in 4 sets, BSK/CK/CK/BSK would be more my choice

But might not a buffet form part of an originally longer train coming to the end of its journey after shedding some slip coaches on the way?

It's more normal that the heavy catering coaches were dropped part way. They could then be made ready for a return trip. So the GWR for example would have dropped them by Plymouth. I assume the SR dropped most of them at Exeter ?

Quote from: EtchedPixels on September 18, 2012, 07:04:30 PM
It's more normal that the heavy catering coaches were dropped part way. They could then be made ready for a return trip. So the GWR for example would have dropped them by Plymouth. I assume the SR dropped most of them at Exeter ?

So how many coaches would be left in the train at that point?

Could easily be five or so, but some of the SR ones fragmented far more. It wasn't unknown for the out of summer season 'through' train to be a single coach, often a brake composite so that it had all the needed compartments in one.

There are lots of pictures of unrebuilt West Country pacifics with 3 coach rakes on the North Cornwall.

Thanks for the replies.
May rethink my plans- buffet car in a mix of coaches as preserved line.

Many of the Southerns West of England trains served multiple destination, e.g. Plymouth, Padstow, Bude and Ilfacombe. The number of coaches left at Exeter depended on the number of destinations served and the number of coaches for each destination. Often only 2 coaches were left at Exeter, the restaurant car and dining saloon. On trains such as the ACE a coach (BCK) was detached a Salisbury as a through stopping service to Exeter. Though coaches to the East Devon branches were included on some trains and would be either detached at the branch junction or Salisbury.

On summer saturdays each destination would be served by longer portions or complete trains and the catering portion remained attached for the complete journey.

On the Bournemouth route the catering set (often a 6 coach dining set) went to Bournemouth West with only 3-4 coaches going to Weymouth. The exception was the Channel Islands Boat train where the complete train went to Weymouth Quay.

A short train including a buffet car would be suitable for one portion of a Cross Country train that went from the Kent/Sussex coast to the Midlands and beyond, Bristol, Cardiff or Plymouth especially during the winter period.

I believe that right at the end of the Atlantic Coast Express (1964) WR Warships were sometimes used from Exeter so you could have a maroon (maybe green?) Warship on a rake of all green SR BR Standard and Bulleid stock. However, you would need a two-coach kitchen (restaurant) car plus composite restaurant (dining) car rather than a buffet car.