With all this talk of container flats, I just hope Farish don't announce they are doing FSA / FTA flats!

I have 10 on order from C-Rail and that would be annoying (not that I would change the order, annoying for C-Rail).

Anyway, the only thing that springs to mind that would tempt me even a little would be either a Class 159 or a Class 91.

That being said, the former wouldn't be an immediate buy (can't justify replacing my Poole one) and the latter would be an extravagance as they never came to Bristol / GWR metals!

Oh, and if they are doing a 442 I am going to throw a big sulk!

Skyline2uk

I confess my utter ignorance here, but when Farish (and others) refer to "new tooling" does that mean a completely new version of an existing model - i.e. it's really got nothing to do with the old one other than the fact it's the same loco/wagon?

If that's the case I'd much rather they look at doing something completely new (Class 416 please!) but as I say I'm a complete ignoramus on the topic.

I wanna Nelson

Quote from: LASteve on September 11, 2025, 10:20:58 PMI confess my utter ignorance here, but when Farish (and others) refer to "new tooling" does that mean a completely new version of an existing model - i.e. it's really got nothing to do with the old one other than the fact it's the same loco/wagon?

If that's the case I'd much rather they look at doing something completely new (Class 416 please!) but as I say I'm a complete ignoramus on the topic.

Either, it doesn't necessarily mean a model which is extant; it could be something brand new.

The only freightliner flats I ever got to run reliably in N were the Worsley Works etches, which are well designed and make a lovely and suitably heavy flat. Even then sneaking a bit of weight inside the bogies isn't a bad idea

Dapol had to release weights for the Eddie Tesco train and even then they need well laid track to be reliable.

It's a good choice in other ways though - long life, chance to sell collector people lots of containers to hoard etc.They also match with the BR blue suburban non corridor brakes.

Not afaik a wagon that ever ran with kettles ?

They coexisted I'm sure, but weren't steam hauled I don't believe. Were many air-braked wagons?

The Dapol IKAs are among the worst culprits for poor running (when empty). The weighted containers are far too heavy as well. It's a tough balance, and i do wonder if it's been a factor. Otherwise I think it's a very obvious model for them.

Quote from: EtchedPixels on September 11, 2025, 11:54:06 PMNot afaik a wagon that ever ran with kettles ?

I saw many a Freightliner train on the WCML through Wolverton or Bletchley but never, ever steam hauled

I'd be most interested, indeed, extremely surprised to see a pic of a steam hauled Freightliner!

Steam hauled freightliner trains were a thing.
1972 Germany:
https://flic.kr/p/agSimW

2017, Bosnia:
https://flic.kr/p/2jfd7Jd

In the UK, steam locos were mostly vacuum braked and so any haulage of the air-brake only FFA/FGA freightliner flats would have been as a class 9 unbraked train, limited to 25mph.

Wasn't expecting a new tooling announcement.

GWR King / 10xx County please...

Quote from: Ensign Elliott on Yesterday at 09:30:22 AMWasn't expecting a new tooling announcement.

GWR King / 10xx County please...

Close enough - original and modified Halls.

Quote from: EtchedPixels on September 11, 2025, 04:52:25 PM

Quote from: Bob G on September 11, 2025, 04:24:51 PMIt's definitely shrink ray time.

That would suggest Hall, 117 or maybe the 74 I guess but I think you are right - it'll be from a OO tooling.

Top marks go to EP for his 'Hall' prediction

Oh look, more GWR.

Because Southern, LNER, & everyone else doesn't exist.

I thought it was a bit off to say that there hadn't been a decent/accurate Hall in N gauge since the Farish version of 1975. That one hardly qualified apart from it was a green 4-6-0.

I'm keeping my Dapol Halls for now. What I paid for the two I have currently would just about cover the cost of one new one with the 15% discount.

Bob

Fantastic news for us WR modellers! Not a King or a County but new Halls, including Modified ones, brilliant!

Although I was pleased with the Dapol offerings, the tender drive and poor warped chassis lets it down. These look much better.