This layout might interest the collective:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zxGfvl74Cc

What a great layout, filled with good modelling and sensible ideas to get a lot in a relatively small space. It's gone under the radar though, hasn't it? I've not seen it on this forum? I love the stacked cassette storage and the good use of a partial station to suggest much more. It's not my era at all but really nice.

Dave

An impressive layout. Unfortunately, the video emphasises the fact that it is an exhibition layout designed to entertain joe public and run trains in a circle.

I loved looking at the train consists, but who else apart from an enthusiast would?

I don't attend exhibitions often, but when I do I gravitate to small layouts, preferably end to end. I spent most of my time last year at such a layout, in York.

I was hugely influenced by people like Peter Denny and Bruce Chubb in the US, whose layouts went from A to B.

That's what trains are for.

I enjoyed it very much

Quote from: Southerngooner on July 05, 2024, 10:00:14 AMWhat a great layout, filled with good modelling and sensible ideas to get a lot in a relatively small space. It's gone under the radar though, hasn't it? I've not seen it on this forum? I love the stacked cassette storage and the good use of a partial station to suggest much more. It's not my era at all but really nice.

Dave

I think it has, yes.  I'd not been aware of it until it popped up on PaulRHB's feed (a modeller I have a lot of respect for).

I think the trackwork in particular is commendable; it flows very well and reflects my own long term plans for Perth.

That one's passed me by too! Needs more Pendolinos and modern freight, but I'll take it!

Quote from: Bealman on July 05, 2024, 10:02:46 AMAn impressive layout. Unfortunately, the video emphasises the fact that it is an exhibition layout designed to entertain joe public and run trains in a circle.

I loved looking at the train consists, but who else apart from an enthusiast would?

I don't attend exhibitions often, but when I do I gravitate to small layouts, preferably end to end. I spent most of my time last year at such a layout, in York.

I was hugely influenced by people like Peter Denny and Bruce Chubb in the US, whose layouts went from A to B.

That's what trains are for.

That doesn't even make sense? It's designed to entertain the public (seems to be entertaining the three people there, and that doesn't look like an exhibition?), yet only enthusiasts will want to look at the consists? Our toy trains don't go anywhere. Terminus - fiddle yard or fiddle yard - fiddle yard they're still in the same room, and they end up where they started. If you have more space that's just further. 

Quote from: Southerngooner on July 05, 2024, 10:00:14 AMWhat a great layout, filled with good modelling and sensible ideas to get a lot in a relatively small space. It's gone under the radar though, hasn't it? I've not seen it on this forum? I love the stacked cassette storage and the good use of a partial station to suggest much more. It's not my era at all but really nice.

Dave

Yes, I think the partially modelled station is great. 

Echo all the comments above. What a great layout with exhibition or club operation potential

Impressive and happy memories of blue grey stock


Look forward to more. Chris

Quote from: njee20 on July 05, 2024, 10:43:01 AMThat one's passed me by too! Needs more Pendolinos and modern freight, but I'll take it!

Quote from: Bealman on July 05, 2024, 10:02:46 AMAn impressive layout. Unfortunately, the video emphasises the fact that it is an exhibition layout designed to entertain joe public and run trains in a circle.

I loved looking at the train consists, but who else apart from an enthusiast would?

I don't attend exhibitions often, but when I do I gravitate to small layouts, preferably end to end. I spent most of my time last year at such a layout, in York.

I was hugely influenced by people like Peter Denny and Bruce Chubb in the US, whose layouts went from A to B.

That's what trains are for.

That doesn't even make sense? It's designed to entertain the public (seems to be entertaining the three people there, and that doesn't look like an exhibition?), yet only enthusiasts will want to look at the consists? Our toy trains don't go anywhere. Terminus - fiddle yard or fiddle yard - fiddle yard they're still in the same room, and they end up where they started. If you have more space that's just further. 

Not sure why that doesn't make sense? Apart from underground loops, etc, trains are there to get people from A to B, eg King's Cross to Edinburgh.

I've seen the end of a station modelled several times and it's a really interesting concept that works well. Grahame Hedges' Stoney Lane Depot used the idea and there's a circular(ish) layout that's featured in the Journal where the main interest is a small goods yard with the station starting just before the track leaves off-scene on the left.


The only difference between end to end (fiddle yard to fiddle yard or terminus station to fiddle yard) and a roundy-roundy is the effort needed to get a train back onto the scenic section. Neither go anywhere - the main difference is that a end-end forces you to replicate the return working where as a continuous loop means it's easier to let a train continue to provide a north-south service whilst another one replicates the return working.

Turning a train around in and end-end fiddleyard for the return service is no different to switching a train within a fiddle yard to return on the other loop on a roundy-roundy.

A busy mainline station like the one modelled here wouldn't see the same train until much later in the day. With a fiddle-yard at each end the train would be back in minutes working the return trip - no more prototypical than running the same service again and again.

Steven B

Quote from: Bealman on July 05, 2024, 10:58:11 AMNot sure why that doesn't make sense? Apart from underground loops, etc, trains are there to get people from A to B, eg King's Cross to Edinburgh.

Of course. Show me a model that goes from King's Cross to Edinburgh? Many of us seek to create illusions, it's the nature of the hobby. That can be terminus to fiddle yard. It can be fiddle yard to fiddle yard, in either case that may be a short distance or a long one.

My point was more though that you waded in to decry it as a layout for "entertaining joe public", and then in your next sentence said that you enjoyed looking at the consists, which is something for enthusiasts. So is it for enthusiasts, or a mere trainset for entertaining the public? Why must layouts be pigeon holed? Can't it be both?

You then said you prefer small 'end to end' layouts, because they go somewhere, but they don't. 

Anyway, shame, it's a lovely layout, didn't need you to tell us you don't like it.

Quote from: njee20 on July 05, 2024, 03:15:03 PMOf course. Show me a model that goes from King's Cross to Edinburgh?

The closest I can think of is the gainsborough model railway which manages Kings Cross to Leeds, however that takes up the whole of a former school building and is hardly a portable exhibition layout...

Quote from: PLD on July 05, 2024, 08:06:25 PM

Quote from: njee20 on July 05, 2024, 03:15:03 PMOf course. Show me a model that goes from King's Cross to Edinburgh?

The closest I can think of is the gainsborough model railway which manages Kings Cross to Leeds, however that takes up the whole of a former school building and is hardly a portable exhibition layout...

But if it was in N it would get to Edinburgh and beyond

I enjoyed it..

Nice layout really appealed to me..

Cheers
Mark

Really good representation of Carlisle and brings back many happy spotting trips in the 80s and 90s, with the locos stabled at the back and on the centre roads.