Yes, there are a number of mutations. However, from what I have read so far, all remain the same in the specific areas that the various vaccines mimic and therefore the immune system targets. Hopefully this will remain so.

Quote from: Paddy on October 22, 2020, 12:15:28 PM
Whilst CV19 seems a nasty bug, for me the more worrying aspect is Long COVID.  A number of people's health seems to have been blighted for the longer term and many of these are the young.

Kind regards

Paddy

I think you will find the acute risk of dying from Covid is more worrying for people in our age group than chronic impacts, and I don't think "nasty bug" sums it up at all well for me.

We are getting blasé to it - that's the problem. Like we used to live with Cholera killing off people who lived in towns and cities in the 1800s and early 1900s. It was just taken as an inevitability when it clearly was not, once we had cracked sanitation and water supply.

Bob

Bob

Quote from: Paddy on October 22, 2020, 12:15:28 PM
Whilst CV19 seems a nasty bug, for me the more worrying aspect is Long COVID.  A number of people's health seems to have been blighted for the longer term and many of these are the young.

Kind regards

Paddy

There's a twenty something Major League baseball pitcher in the US, peak physical fitness, caught Covid 19. He had next to no symptoms and recovered very quickly.

A few weeks later he was having some breathing difficulties whilst playing and they packed him off to hospital for tests.

He has now got a permanent heart condition which the specialists have said is a direct result of the Covid infection.

These are what no-one is talking about.

They have realised it in a disease of the veins and arteries not lungs.  The fact it affects the lungs throat etc is incidental and it is actually attacking all soft tissue organs that need a blood supply.  This is where the long Covid is coming from.    Men get it worse than women but women get long covid worse.

Quote from: Bob G on October 22, 2020, 01:55:54 PM

Quote from: Paddy on October 22, 2020, 12:15:28 PM
Whilst CV19 seems a nasty bug, for me the more worrying aspect is Long COVID.  A number of people's health seems to have been blighted for the longer term and many of these are the young.

Kind regards

Paddy

I think you will find the acute risk of dying from Covid is more worrying for people in our age group than chronic impacts, and I don't think "nasty bug" sums it up at all well for me.

We are getting blasé to it - that's the problem. Like we used to live with Cholera killing off people who lived in towns and cities in the 1800s and early 1900s. It was just taken as an inevitability when it clearly was not, once we had cracked sanitation and water supply.

Bob

Bob

Hi Bob,

In no way were my words intended to cause offence or indicate that I am blasé about CV19.  We have continued to follow the rules since the beginning of the outbreak which meant we did not physically meet our new grandson until he was 3 months old.

One thing that did surprise me is how quickly Donald Trump recovered.  Could the treatment he took be an answer for other patients?

Kind regards

Paddy

Quote from: Paddy on October 22, 2020, 07:31:16 PM

Quote from: Bob G on October 22, 2020, 01:55:54 PM

Quote from: Paddy on October 22, 2020, 12:15:28 PM
Whilst CV19 seems a nasty bug, for me the more worrying aspect is Long COVID.  A number of people's health seems to have been blighted for the longer term and many of these are the young.

Kind regards

Paddy

I think you will find the acute risk of dying from Covid is more worrying for people in our age group than chronic impacts, and I don't think "nasty bug" sums it up at all well for me.

We are getting blasé to it - that's the problem. Like we used to live with Cholera killing off people who lived in towns and cities in the 1800s and early 1900s. It was just taken as an inevitability when it clearly was not, once we had cracked sanitation and water supply.

Bob

Bob

Hi Bob,

In no way were my words intended to cause offence or indicate that I am blasé about CV19.  We have continued to follow the rules since the beginning of the outbreak which meant we did not physically meet our new grandson until he was 3 months old.

One thing that did surprise me is how quickly Donald Trump recovered.  Could the treatment he took be an answer for other patients?

Kind regards

Paddy

No it is because he did not have the Neanderthal genes that make you more susceptible to the disease.  Stunned me, I was sure he had them   

Hi @Snowwolflair

Are you joking or is that a real thing?

Kind regards

Paddy

Quote from: Paddy on October 22, 2020, 07:37:20 PM
Hi @Snowwolflair

Are you joking or is that a real thing?

Kind regards

Paddy

Genuine, here is the link to the academic paper.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2818-3

Abstract
A recent genetic association study1 identified a gene cluster on chromosome 3 as a risk locus for respiratory failure after infection with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). A separate study (COVID-19 Host Genetics Initiative)2 comprising 3,199 hospitalized patients with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) and control individuals showed that this cluster is the major genetic risk factor for severe symptoms after SARS-CoV-2 infection and hospitalization. Here we show that the risk is conferred by a genomic segment of around 50 kilobases in size that is inherited from Neanderthals and is carried by around 50% of people in south Asia and around 16% of people in Europe.

Quote from: Paddy on October 22, 2020, 07:37:20 PM
Hi @Snowwolflair

Are you joking or is that a real thing?

Kind regards

Paddy

Really?

John P

Quote from: Snowwolflair on October 22, 2020, 07:34:23 PM
No it is because he did not have the Neanderthal genes that make you more susceptible to the disease.  Stunned me, I was sure he had them   

I thought he had Muppet genes.

John P

Quote from: jpendle on October 22, 2020, 07:44:01 PM

Quote from: Snowwolflair on October 22, 2020, 07:34:23 PM
No it is because he did not have the Neanderthal genes that make you more susceptible to the disease.  Stunned me, I was sure he had them   

I thought he had Muppet genes.

John P

that's slandering muppets 

Wow, thanks @Snowwolflair - I am amazed.  There are some clever people out there.  So Donald did not have these genes?

Kind regards

Paddy

Quote from: Paddy on October 22, 2020, 07:46:42 PM
Wow, thanks @Snowwolflair - I am amazed.  There are some clever people out there.  So Donald did not have these genes?

Well, he's certainly not one of the clever people.

Quote from: Paddy on October 22, 2020, 07:46:42 PM
Wow, thanks @Snowwolflair - I am amazed.  There are some clever people out there.  So Donald did not have these genes?

Kind regards

Paddy

Cannot be sure but statistically his recovery rate points to that.

If you look at where Covid is bad, America and South America, where European genes were introduced by colonisation.  Its low in the Far East but not Australia and New Zealand (Colonisation again).  Worst is India and our Indian population in the UK leading to the investigation into ethnic susceptibility.

The least affected races are the Chinese which is why China did not have the level of fatality rate of the West.

I am not in to conspiracy theories but that does sound like a potential biological weapon that China could have been developing...

Kind regards

Paddy