Trouble is George, the car that started all this is a Toyota Auris Hybrid Estate, essentially a British built Corolla.
Don't get me wrong, I love the car and costs not a lot to own and run.  It has all the bells and whistles including most, if not all, the so called "driver aids" mentioned herein, which I'm fine with. It's just that this one feature (park assist) didn't work as well as I expected it to.  Of course, it could be that the steering wheel has thrombosis, ............
There is a clot attached to it :  

 

I know that's not true. 

Quote from: PLD on October 21, 2020, 07:53:58 PM

Quote from: joe cassidy on October 21, 2020, 11:39:47 AM
It has a system that detects when you wander out of the lane you're in, or onto the hard shoulder, and the steering wheel moves on its own to correct your trajectory.

I hate it ! It makes me jump when the steering wheel moves without me turning it.

In my opinion that is dangerous.

If it is surprising you when the lane guidance intervenes, that could be taken to imply you are driving without due care and attention. Arguably it is your driving that is dangerous and proving that the system is needed. If you were driving correctly and maintaining correct road position, it would have no need to intervene...

The problem is the system can't differentiate between changing lanes and wandering !

Quote from: joe cassidy on October 22, 2020, 11:33:33 AM

Quote from: PLD on October 21, 2020, 07:53:58 PM

Quote from: joe cassidy on October 21, 2020, 11:39:47 AM
It has a system that detects when you wander out of the lane you're in, or onto the hard shoulder, and the steering wheel moves on its own to correct your trajectory.

I hate it ! It makes me jump when the steering wheel moves without me turning it.

In my opinion that is dangerous.

If it is surprising you when the lane guidance intervenes, that could be taken to imply you are driving without due care and attention. Arguably it is your driving that is dangerous and proving that the system is needed. If you were driving correctly and maintaining correct road position, it would have no need to intervene...

The problem is the system can't differentiate between changing lanes and wandering !

That explains a huge amount. I've always thought the idiots who stay in the 2 overtaking lanes were just thick but now it seems it's the car not allowing them to move back over.
I've got an awful lot of apologizing to do

I have a new Corolla and, without checking the manual, if I remember correctly the lane changing warning can be over ridden by using the necessary indicator.

Yeah it can be overidden on my wife's car.

Must read the manual some time

Quote from: joe cassidy on October 22, 2020, 11:33:33 AM

Quote from: PLD on October 21, 2020, 07:53:58 PM

Quote from: joe cassidy on October 21, 2020, 11:39:47 AM
It has a system that detects when you wander out of the lane you're in, or onto the hard shoulder, and the steering wheel moves on its own to correct your trajectory.

I hate it ! It makes me jump when the steering wheel moves without me turning it.

In my opinion that is dangerous.

If it is surprising you when the lane guidance intervenes, that could be taken to imply you are driving without due care and attention. Arguably it is your driving that is dangerous and proving that the system is needed. If you were driving correctly and maintaining correct road position, it would have no need to intervene...

The problem is the system can't differentiate between changing lanes and wandering !

Not even if you indicate before changing lanes?

No, the indicators seem to be independant from the lane guidance system

Quote from: joe cassidy on October 22, 2020, 11:54:42 AM
No, the indicators seem to be independant from the lane guidance system

That's ridiculous - the system could easily use the indicators being active as a declaration of intent to cross a white line.

That's rather like my present and last cars, which have a light flash up in the dash advising you to change gear. However, the system doesn't seem to understand that when ascending a 1 in 3 gradient changing up from 2nd to 3rd is really not a good idea.
The darned things have inclinometers fitted, for the hill start assist function to know when to hold the brakes until the car moves forwards, so one would think it simple to link those to the gearchange advice so that it knows that you're going up a steep hill and doesn't bother advising a gear change.

Same with bends.

The gear change indicator system can't see the double bend 50 yards ahead.

Quote from: chrism on October 22, 2020, 12:03:06 PM

Quote from: joe cassidy on October 22, 2020, 11:54:42 AM
No, the indicators seem to be independant from the lane guidance system

That's ridiculous - the system could easily use the indicators being active as a declaration of intent to cross a white line.

That's how mine (VW) works - if you indicate (either by flicking the indicator stalk or properly applying it) it takes it as an intentional move and deactivates the lane assistance.

I always preferred VWs to Peugeots.

I remember my old Peugeot used to have a bizarre 'feature'; when you indicated right, as you straightened the steering wheel it would indicate left automatically. Apparently it was meant to mean you automatically indicated as you exited a roundabout. I don't think it ever worked in that capacity, just confused everyone any time you pulled out of a junction!

So yes... I can absolutely believe that Peugeot's implementation of lane assist is totally counter intuitive!

I recall my Citroen BX14E which, in all other respects was a great car, but the windscreen washer pipe ran up the length of the single wiper. Come winter, guess what. Yup - the thing froze and was useless as not even engine warming helped. I think it should be mandatory for washer bottles to be automatically heated in low temperatures. I've seen people driving around with just a small cleared bit above the steering wheel

self cancelling indicators on my last bike  was enough to confused me,but i did like the reserve tank selector being on the handle bars instead of hidden under the tank