Quote from: Chris in Prague on July 13, 2015, 08:51:49 PM
Another excellent set of pictures, Martin, for which many thanks. The SR will 'get its revenge' though with its GW125 supporting services featuring a wide variety of SR steam locomotives including the special through service worked by immaculately cleaned BB "Hurricane", still in BR Early Crest livery, from Trepol Bay to Wadebridge and Penmayne and return.

The Chief Reporter for the Western Morning News has "leaked" that a similar "trial event" will be held this coming weekend where every train through Trepol Bay will be headed by former SR locomotives or other locos typically used on the line. It is expected that there will again be some interesting train formations.
Whilst GW 125 is an event in honour of of the Great Western railway, it is also a celebration of steam and as such there will be a good deal of involvement by former SR traction in Cornwall.

The latest news re: the GW125 Cup (see Martin's post, above) is that three [Lima] GWR horse boxes have been immaculately restored into GWR livery [purchased in excellent condition] by the GWS Birmingham area members, sponsored by the "Castle" and "Headland" breweries, in Cornwall, and a special train conveying them, plus the horse box going for a repaint by the CLPG, at Cant Cove, into BR Crimson, is scheduled to pass through Claverdon with three of the four horse boxes going on to Cornwall, at the end of this week or early next. It will be interesting to see which loco. is allocated to haul them.


One GWR horse box is for local traffic in the North Warwickshire area, one for the Cant Cove area, and one for the Port Perran area. One of the two locally restored GWR LWB flat wagons (the other being, again, for the area around Claverdon) may also be conveyed to Cornwall by the same train (destined for Cant Cove). The CLPG is now considering purchasing and restoring some 9' wheelbase 16' long ex-LSWR horseboxes as refurbished by the Southern Railway in the 1930s until final withdrawal in 1957. [Presumably also in BR Crimson, although BR SR Green is very tempting!]

I've just noticed, this one needs a clean up / paint retouch at the bottom side. They would also benefit from new, slimmer blackened metal wheels. Any recommendations, please?

Quote from: Chris in Prague on July 15, 2015, 05:06:49 PM
I've just noticed, this one needs a clean up / paint retouch at the bottom side. They would also benefit from new, slimmer blackened metal wheels. Any recommendations, please?

Hi Chris,

I assumed that was some lime left over from cleaning.  As for wheels, I replaced the Lima wheels with Farish coach wheels on my horse boxes.

Kind regards

Paddy

Hi Paddy, many thanks. I hadn't thought of lime. I already have, I think, a pack of Graham Farish carriage wheels so I'll use those, if I can find them for the one I am repainting, in Prague. As John will be receiving and distributing all the Lima Cattle Vans (GWR and Maroon) I have asked him to kindly buy a pack and fit them for us.

Just a quick note for your information, the use of lime for cleaning wagons was stopped after the 'Animals (transit and General) Order of 1924'

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1924/feb/27/diseases-of-animals-bill#S5CV0170P0_19240227_HOC_357

Best wishes
Simon

Thanks, Simon. I know that the use of lime stopped long before BR days but hadn't known that it was as far back as 1924. That cattle van will need a 'touch up' repaint then! I hope John can get GWR Brown as I cannot here. 8-(

The use of lime is something I knew nothing about until this thread. It appears that it was also used as a disinfectant.

That I did know, Martin, from captions in books showing old cattle vans with lots of white around the sides. But I did not know when its use finished. I suppose it was replaced by disinfectant washes?

Funny thing is that you see lots of cattle wagons with lime staining on post  1930s layouts.  No doubt this has led to a lot of modellers (including me) to think the practice lasted longer than it did.

Kind regards

Paddy

Quote from: Chris in Prague on July 15, 2015, 05:53:59 PM
Thanks, Simon. I know that the use of lime stopped long before BR days but hadn't known that it was as far back as 1924. That cattle van will need a 'touch up' repaint then! I hope John can get GWR Brown as I cannot here. 8-(

The District Controller at Plymouth has issued an urgent instruction to the effect  that all wagons used in demonstration freights during GW125 must be in clean and tidy condition.
The Fat Controller, currently on an inspection tour in Cornwall will personally clear all wagons for use.

Quote from: port perran on July 16, 2015, 09:52:36 AM

Quote from: Chris in Prague on July 15, 2015, 05:53:59 PM
Thanks, Simon. I know that the use of lime stopped long before BR days but hadn't known that it was as far back as 1924. That cattle van will need a 'touch up' repaint then! I hope John can get GWR Brown as I cannot here. 8-(

The District Controller at Plymouth has issued an urgent instruction to the effect  that all wagons used in demonstration freights during GW125 must be in clean and tidy condition.
The Fat Controller, currently on an inspection tour in Cornwall will personally clear all wagons for use.

The warning has been passed on to the GWS and CLPG members responsible. Lady Penelope of Trevelver Castle, Cant Cove, near Wadebridge, is a stickler for everything being clean and tidy (at her insistence a carriage washing plant was installed at Penmayne depot and all incoming stock is cleaned before departure whilst all locally allocated stock is regularly cleaned). Unfortunately, some incoming stock has been known to arrive in weathered condition and, on Summer Saturdays, there may not always be time to take the offending vehicles through the carriage washing plant, a WR BR Maroon BG being a recent example! However, in general, visitors are always highly impressed by the pristine state of locomotives, carriages, diesel units and (most) wagons and vans in North Cornwall. Lady Penelope is firmly of the opinion that clean trains encourage passenger use and clean wagons and vans enhance the good image of the "Castle Brewery" and "Castle Estates".

Quote from: port perran on July 16, 2015, 09:52:36 AM

Quote from: Chris in Prague on July 15, 2015, 05:53:59 PM
Thanks, Simon. I know that the use of lime stopped long before BR days but hadn't known that it was as far back as 1924. That cattle van will need a 'touch up' repaint then! I hope John can get GWR Brown as I cannot here. 8-(

The District Controller at Plymouth has issued an urgent instruction to the effect  that all wagons used in demonstration freights during GW125 must be in clean and tidy condition.
The Fat Controller, currently on an inspection tour in Cornwall will personally clear all wagons for use.

After the missive from up high at Divisional HQ (Plymouth), the Fat Controller has personally inspected all stock currently stored at Trepol Bay. Here we see him having a VERY good look at a GW box van. No doubt ensuring that the wagon is spick and span. Woebetide the cleaners if he finds any dirty marks ! :

Many thanks, Martin, for that excellent close-up photo. The care I took repainting him paid off as, normally, he would not be seen in such close-up! However, I did not (re)paint the back of his head (his hair) properly, I can see.

The District Chief Civil Engineer has also insisted that all wheelsets be examined and any 'cookie cutter' wheels be replaced with slimmer ones!

[BR's organisational changes are a nightmare to track but in 1960 it was the Plymouth District of the WR. The Plymouth Division came later when the WR took over the SR lines in the Southwest. The SR lines came under, I believe, their South-Western District, then Division. Prior to the Divisions (a BR invention, in 1962) there had been Districts, broadly following the old Southern Railway Sections.]

As the originator of the great idea for a GW125 summer celebration (15-24 July, 1960), we are all hoping that Jon's excellent Weaver Cove layout will be featured here, too.