Quote from: newportnobby on February 27, 2015, 11:11:00 AM
So why DJM and Dapol are going head-to-head on the Class 59 is beyond me

Hi Mick

Put simply, I don't believe both will happen.  I genuinely have no idea who will blink first and I really hope that one of them produces a 59 as they really get everywhere for such a small class.

Cheers, Mike

Dapol and Farish both do the 66. Did they both do the 86 too?

Quote from: red_death on February 27, 2015, 11:15:30 AM

Quote from: newportnobby on February 27, 2015, 11:11:00 AM
So why DJM and Dapol are going head-to-head on the Class 59 is beyond me

Hi Mick

Put simply, I don't believe both will happen.  I genuinely have no idea who will blink first and I really hope that one of them produces a 59 as they really get everywhere for such a small class.

Cheers, Mike

I'm quite sure you're right, Mike. I can't see both going the full distance but it does seem to be a bad case of 'brinkmanship'

Quote from: ScottyStitch on February 27, 2015, 11:20:24 AM
Dapol and Farish both do the 66. Did they both do the 86 too?

I don't think Farish have ever done an 86 but you are right about the 66 (I forgot that one earlier).

IIRC, the 59 was announced around the time Dave left Dapol. Maybe it was an idea he didn't want to leave behind?

Quote from: mark100 on February 27, 2015, 02:38:58 AM
I had a Hornby APT when I was younger, It was my favorite train on my layout and I am totally surprised that no one has factory produced it in N gauge, I would work overtime just be able to buy a 10 car set..

While not N, are you aware of the APT/E model that is being developed for Locomotion ?

Re the APT/P in N - it's a niche model; hardly a successful prototype (and not for the right reasons).  The 'garage producers' are happy to take a punt, but the big boys ?  Nah ...

Mike

Quote from: Karhedron on February 27, 2015, 11:24:01 AM

Quote from: ScottyStitch on February 27, 2015, 11:20:24 AM
Dapol and Farish both do the 66. Did they both do the 86 too?

I don't think Farish have ever done an 86 but you are right about the 66 (I forgot that one earlier).

IIRC, the 59 was announced around the time Dave left Dapol. Maybe it was an idea he didn't want to leave behind?

I sit corrected re the 86 

Re: duplication, I honestly believe there is a market for more than one Class 47 or Class 37 model. Think about Lima in the other scale, how long they were peddling new liveries, the sheer variety of liveries and numbers, meant that they also tapped in to the collectors market unlike standard models. Bachmann have produced an excellent model in their 37 and 47 but have barely touched the surface...

Don't forget Lima eventually went bust! I'm not sure their business model is the way to go!

The 4mm market is somewhere in the region of 3-5 times the size of 2mm so you have a lot more leeway to produce models that don't sell well (or at least as well as expected/necessary).

Cheers, Mike

Quote from: Karhedron on February 27, 2015, 11:24:01 AM

Quote from: ScottyStitch on February 27, 2015, 11:20:24 AM
Dapol and Farish both do the 66. Did they both do the 86 too?

I don't think Farish have ever done an 86 but you are right about the 66 (I forgot that one earlier).

IIRC, the 59 was announced around the time Dave left Dapol. Maybe it was an idea he didn't want to leave behind?

I placed a pre-order for 2x class 59's on September the 14th 2012, surely it shouldn't take this long between announcing a model and still not seeing it, should it? Someone somewhere needs to get a grip and produce them. Coincidentally I've got 59 Yeoman wagons sat in the sidings awaiting their next turn of duty. 32 of these have already been loaded and I'm afraid the weeds and moss will be growing through soon if they're not emptied!

Quote from: Trainfish on February 27, 2015, 12:18:02 PM

Quote from: Karhedron on February 27, 2015, 11:24:01 AM

Quote from: ScottyStitch on February 27, 2015, 11:20:24 AM
Dapol and Farish both do the 66. Did they both do the 86 too?

I don't think Farish have ever done an 86 but you are right about the 66 (I forgot that one earlier).

IIRC, the 59 was announced around the time Dave left Dapol. Maybe it was an idea he didn't want to leave behind?

I placed a pre-order for 2x class 59's on September the 14th 2012, surely it shouldn't take this long between announcing a model and still not seeing it, should it? Someone somewhere needs to get a grip and produce them. Coincidentally I've got 59 Yeoman wagons sat in the sidings awaiting their next turn of duty. 32 of these have already been loaded and I'm afraid the weeds and moss will be growing through soon if they're not emptied!

Unfortunately, some people have been waiting longer than 2 years for a model to hit the shelves from announcement..........

Doesn't make it right! For the second time today I'm recording my awe at the way this industry operates, whether it's over ambition on the part of the manufacturers or outright lies, the hideous delays on new models are absolutely ridiculous!

DJM used the same press release for the 59 as Dapol, same pictures, the lot. May have been Dave staking his claim as it was 'his' model at Dapol, but IMO a very odd tactic. I doubt we'll see either for some years quite honestly.

I almost wish I'd never bothered to start looking at forums and what not for new announcements! I could exist in blissful ignorance, totally unaware of a 59, 92, Pacer etc etc.

No-one said it made it right........

Quote from: ScottyStitch on February 27, 2015, 12:25:48 PM
Unfortunately, some people have been waiting longer than 2 years for a model to hit the shelves from announcement..........

I appreciate that, I was just using it as an example. It's almost 2.5 years now along with my class 50, 33 and 31 pre-orders.

Quote from: njee20 on February 27, 2015, 01:06:39 PM
I almost wish I'd never bothered to start looking at forums and what not for new announcements! I could exist in blissful ignorance, totally unaware of a 59, 92, Pacer etc etc.

The only trouble then is with the limited quantities produced of each model you may well miss out if you don't have a pre-order in. Catch 22 springs to mind.

Quote from: Trainfish on February 27, 2015, 01:55:22 PM

Quote from: njee20 on February 27, 2015, 01:06:39 PM
I almost wish I'd never bothered to start looking at forums and what not for new announcements! I could exist in blissful ignorance, totally unaware of a 59, 92, Pacer etc etc.

The only trouble then is with the limited quantities produced of each model you may well miss out if you don't have a pre-order in. Catch 22 springs to mind.

Maybe it's good fortune, but I've never missed out on anything using the Hattons/Rails/MRD etc notifications/release emails! I still like knowing what's coming, and await the various announcements like a child at Christmas, but I do have to balance that with a "this will be many many years, if at all" sensible thought!

Some delays are of course inevitable - in my main hobby of cycling, some pedals I was interested in were delayed by about 5 years, but in the main the companies would be slaughtered if stuff was more than a couple of months late, let alone years being the norm.

When Dave Jones left Dapol I honestly thought it was to join Hornby. I felt that they were going to expand their the N gauge products and had possibly secured him for his knowledge.
I was wrong about him being secured by Hornby, but right about them dipping further into N gauge, albeit a bit later. Perhaps we may eventually see DJM joining Hornby as a partner of some sort?
I wonder if Hornby could score by being able to bring models to the market quicker than Farish and Dapol?
I have a  Farish 64xx reserved at pre-increase price, but with limited funds for playing trains could be tempted by something coming to market before it.