Quote from: mjkerr on March 13, 2013, 11:48:34 AM

Quote from: red_death on March 13, 2013, 11:41:23 AMDapol reckoned thier un-numbered large logo 73s sold poorly

The Class 73 has limited appeal, I've never bought one

Thats irrelevant. They probably produced more numbered/liveried N gauge class 73s than any other N gauge loco they have ever produced so presumably it sold relatively well. But the issue was that the un-numbered version was a poor seller comparatively against the numbered versions, regardless of total sales.

H.

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There was only one Mark 2F FO in ScotRail livery, the rest were Mark 2E
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The remaining coaches were Mark 2D TSO and TSO(T) in ScotRail livery,
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Thanks for that,

I knew about the single FO (Sc3247), just need to compile a list of E's and D's and see what I can create when the new coaches arrive.
Off to do the preorder now, ouch

Rgds

Quote from: westie7 on March 13, 2013, 04:40:06 PM
I knew about the single FO (Sc3247), just need to compile a list of E's and D's and see what I can create when the new coaches arrive.
Off to do the preorder now, ouch

I have a fully comprehensive list, so far I have completed 1985, 1986, and 1988
I am currently working on 1987
However, my list includes rakes of coaches used to/from Glasgow Queen Street, so the allocations for GC/FW, PC, and EC are taking up a lot of time

Here is 1985, excluding DBSO and Mark 3A coaches
All Blue / Grey livery unless stated :
2D   TSO   5623 AC
2D   TSO   5653 AC ScotRail
2D   TSO   5659 AC
2D   TSO   5662 AC
2D   TSO   5663 AC
2D   TSO   5671 AC ScotRail
2D   TSO   5673 AC ScotRail
2D   TSO   5694 AC
2D   TSO   5711 AC
2D   TSO   5716 AC
2D   TSO   5726 AC
2D   TSO   5740 AC
2D   TSO(T)   6601 AC ScotRail
2D   TSO(T)   6603 AC
2D   TSO(T)   6604 AC
2D   TSO(T)   6605 AC ScotRail
2D   TSO(T)   6607 AC
2D   TSO(T)   6613 AC ScotRail
2D   TSO(T)   6614 AC
2D   TSO(T)   6619 AC
2E   FO   3245 AC
2E   FO   3247 AC
2E   FO   3248 AC
2E   FO   3265 AC
2F   FO   3284 EC

1986 :
Transfer all coaches AC to EC
Add -
2F   FO   3295 EC
2F   FO   3312 EC
2F   FO   3337 EC
2F   FO   3360 EC
2F   BSO   9536 EC (for conversion to DBSO, but temporarily in use)
Relivery to ScotRail -
3245
3247
3248
3265
5623
5659
5662
5663
5694
5711
5716
5726
5740
6604
6619

1986 was also a good year, as this has the internal Scottish sleepers and the final use of the BG in ScotRail livery on Aberdeen services :
92061
92086
92088
92091
92128

Wow, that just closes about a dozen windows on my desktop!

Blimey! It's taken me hours to wade through this thread...










...only kidding.   

Well, I'm not pre ordering anything as I'm skint! 

Besides, I'd never buy something thats not even off the drawing board yet, thats as mad as buying a house when only the plot exists! 

I'll look forward to the N class and the Fairburn tank as after a quick repaint I'd have a C.I.E Woolwich mogul and an N.C.C 'Jeep"!   
I'm sure I won't be the only modeller of Irish railways that would do that either...

Quote from: westie7 on March 13, 2013, 05:09:42 PM
Wow, that just closes about a dozen windows on my desktop!

Anything you need to know about ScotRail between 1985 and 1996 I should know...
I am aiming for absolute accuracy on my layout, between 1986 and 1996
However there will obviously be overlap and some things wouldn't have been possible
I spent most of this morning watching videos on YouTube just to make sure the rakes were correct
The Inverness and Oban / Fort William have been most difficult as the videos tend to be just the locos...

Quote from: mjkerr on March 13, 2013, 11:48:34 AM

Quote from: red_death on March 13, 2013, 11:41:23 AMDapol reckoned thier un-numbered large logo 73s sold poorly

The Class 73 has limited appeal, I've never bought one
The model really needs to be one with mass appeal and would be seen anywhere on the British Rail network

The class 73 overall sold fine, just the unnumbered ones (of which there were only a tiny batch produced) didn't. There are still lots around but that's because Dapol made rather more than were wanted not because it didn't sell well as a volume comparison with other models.

Alan

Quote from: mjkerr on March 13, 2013, 05:13:37 PM

Quote from: westie7 on March 13, 2013, 05:09:42 PM
Wow, that just closes about a dozen windows on my desktop!

Anything you need to know about ScotRail between 1985 and 1996 I should know...
I am aiming for absolute accuracy on my layout, between 1986 and 1996
However there will obviously be overlap and some things wouldn't have been possible
I spent most of this morning watching videos on YouTube just to make sure the rakes were correct
The Inverness and Oban / Fort William have been most difficult as the videos tend to be just the locos...

I'll be aiming for an Aberdeen-Queen St formation,
Also handy is the PushPull article in RE133

Quote from: westie7 on March 13, 2013, 05:25:14 PMI'll be aiming for an Aberdeen-Queen St formation,
Also handy is the PushPull article in RE133

The Aberdeen - Glasgow QS formation varied, before and after AC (Aberdeen Clayhills)
From 1987 Mark 3A coaches were included in a joint pool, as by then all the coaches were allocated to EC (Craigentinny), however two rakes were increased by one TSO for use on Aberdeen duties, and that TSO would then be removed / swapped as required on a pretty much daily basis

AC aimed for :
BG-TSO-TSO-TSO-TSO(T)-FO
BSO-TSO-TSO-TSO-TSO(T)-FO

EC aimed for :
TSO-TSO-TSO-TSO(T)-FO-DBSO

What is an RE133?

Quote from: Sprintex on March 13, 2013, 09:39:03 AM

Quote from: daveg on March 13, 2013, 09:16:37 AM
I guess that your order will arrive over the next 6/12 months ...

I'm sure that's a typo

With a list as long as Ollie's, and the rate that these things ACTUALLY appear,  surely you meant to type "6/12 years"?


Paul

My thinking exactly. Gives me plenty of time to save up and hope that they are spread out

Ollie

AC aimed for :
BG-TSO-TSO-TSO-TSO(T)-FO
BSO-TSO-TSO-TSO-TSO(T)-FO

EC aimed for :
TSO-TSO-TSO-TSO(T)-FO-DBSO

What is an RE133?
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Now theres 3 formations worth doing, maybe even a mix of ScR/Blue grey.

RE133 = Rail Express issue 133 (rail express modeller 38)

rgds

TSO would then be removed / swapped as required on a pretty much daily basis
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Ah the flexibility of the railways to deal with additional demand. Not any more, not that easy to add to a 170

Apologies, should actually state that the Aberdeen diagram Mark 3A sets, served both Glasgow and Edinburgh

The Aberdeen - Glasgow and Edinburgh formations were very stable from 1987 to 1989 (as above)
I was lucky enough on my first journey to Aberdeen to travel on one of the dedicated Aberdeen Mark 3A sets
Sadly on the way back it was a Mark 2D set, was awful in comparison

My memories are from the period when the mk2d's took over from the pressure ventilated stock. So to me the 2d's were luxury, a seat on the TSOT was a bonus. Your toast was still warm when you got back to your seat

Are there 2 separate threads going on here