Old coaches...confusion

[portland-docks]

ok so at gateshead this weekend, i bought two lovely coaches. LMS livery with raised roofs, now underneath there is no makers marks so i dont know who made them!

and also iv never seen these coaches before so i dont know where i could possibly get more to make a nice little train of them.

heres the coaches in question below...

anyone know anything about them? they will need touching up of course...just like my 6 "new" old farish teaks will need tweaking as tornado and other locos seem to struggle to pull them...even though they have no added weight, i think its just the fact the wheels dont move freely in the bogies so its quite difficult to haul....

anyways back to the topic, have a look and let me know if you know anything!

[Newportnobby]

  They look like home made clerestorys (clerestories??) to me

[EtchedPixels]

Judging by the cracking in particular they look home made out of slices of other vehicle - or maybe just something cut down.

[BernardTPM]

They're chopped up 1970s Farish suburban coaches. The bottom one has had one compartment taken out and the centre part of the truss rods removed - being a later style underframe these were separate mouldings. With the slope ends to the clerestory the roof looks vaguely GNR though! The top one is the brake with two compartments removed. This had the earlier underframe so has lost the integrally moulded trussing altogether. The straight ended clerestory is more in keeping with ex-MR. Both donor coaches are in the simplified style of LMS livery. Later Farish LMS versions of these coaches had a 'fully lined' style to them. With care, either livery variation could be cut and shut to make similar stock.