Graham Farish Standard Class 4 Identification

Dalteth · January 15, 2023, 04:37:15 PM

Hi all, hoping to draw on the collective wisdom!

I've got 3 different Standard Class 4 / 4MT locos as per the below photos, all acquired second hand

What I'm confused about is that the top two have the same running number, but different tenders.

Did Farish produce 76053 with two different tenders? Or has one had a swap?

If so, it would be useful to know which one is wrong, and if the 4MT class did use the other tender, which loco number(s) used it.

Google confirmed that Farish did produce as per the middle loco, but no help on the alternative.

Also as a follow up question, are the yellow axle boxes correct?

Any help appreciated!

Thanks.

Newportnobby · January 15, 2023, 04:48:29 PM

According to the NGaugeNow 'Spotters Guide' Farish released:-

76020 BR2 tender early crest (372-652)
76053 BR1B tender early crest (372-650)
76053 as above but late crest (372-654)
76069 BR1B tender late crest (372-651)
76079 BR2 tender early crest (372-653)

Sorry, but that's all I can offer

Dalteth · January 15, 2023, 05:03:15 PM

Quote from: Newportnobby on January 15, 2023, 04:48:29 PM
According to the NGaugeNow 'Spotters Guide' Farish released:-

76020 BR2 tender early crest (372-652)
76053 BR1B tender early crest (372-650)
76053 as above but late crest (372-654)
76069 BR1B tender late crest (372-651)
76079 BR2 tender early crest (372-653)

Sorry, but that's all I can offer

Thanks Mick, that is very useful.

Seems that the BR2 tender version of 76053 I have is a model with swapped tender.

Might be cause for a repaint into BR lined green then...

martyn · January 15, 2023, 05:04:54 PM

It would seem that yellow axleboxes started around 1961, but that's only from photos.

Martyn

Newportnobby · January 15, 2023, 05:09:20 PM

Am I correct in thinking yellow axle boxes (with/without red central horizontal stripe) signified British Timken bearings?

martyn · January 15, 2023, 05:20:09 PM

Off hand, I'd have to check the makers, Mick, but yes, roller bearings fitted.

Martyn

martyn · January 15, 2023, 05:30:19 PM

Just had a quick look in one of my books concerning Britannias.

It quotes 'late in life' for yellow or red stripe axleboxes, but a colour photo in it is 1961 with yellow ones. This may not have been applied to all locos, I don't know. Brits were British Timken where roller bearings were fitted. I think the has been discussion on the Forum somewhere, possibly on one about Britannias.

@Dalteth

Nice to see you back. How about an LMS Ivatt version from one?

Martyn

Bob G · January 15, 2023, 05:33:14 PM

Took a while to check this, and in that time there have been a host of posts, so....Farish produced the following 4MT Moguls AFAIK

The BR1B tender is the chunky one, the BR2 the dinky one. And yes the yellow axle boxes are correct (for clean locos)

372-650 76053 BR Early Crest BR1B tender (2010 production) (a southern loco)
372-651 76069 BR Late Crest BR1B tender (2010 production) (a southern loco)
372-652 76020 BR Early Crest BR2 tender (2010 production) (a midland loco)

372-653 76079 BR Early Crest BR2 tender (2015 production) (a midland loco)
372-654 76063 BR Late Crest BR1B tender (2015 production) (a southern loco)

Some early number Standard 4 moguls worked on the Southern with BR2 tenders (76005 - 76019, 76025-76034) but with the BR1B tender it was always a southern loco (76053-76069).

So the BR2 tender is the impostor on the late numbered Southern mogul. You could renumber it 76013, but not 76033, as 76030-34 had huge chunks out of their cab sides for tablet apparatus that was never fitted!

HTH
Bob

Dalteth · January 15, 2023, 09:04:49 PM

Thanks for the input all. Very helpful!

Looks like the yellow axle boxes will probably go then, as I normally aim for 58-60 ish (although very loose!!).

Quote from: martyn on January 15, 2023, 05:30:19 PM
Nice to see you back. How about an LMS Ivatt version from one?

Now that is an interesting idea!

Having a quick look, the most obvious differences are:
- The footplate breaks adjacent to the smokebox, rather than stepping down.
- The footplate looks thinner overall (although that might just be me...).
- Theres 'something' on the boiler top between then chimney and dome.
- The bottom corer of the cab below the footplate level is slightly different.
- Not sure if the front of the tender is slightly different. Difficult to see much in any photos Ive found.

Any other obvious differences that would be sensible / possible to model in N Gauge?