Class 23 Baby Deltic - did it even get off the ground?

[Steven B]

On their website they make a number of references to the 'donor loco' which is being modified and re-engined to create the replica Baby Deltic, but so far as I could see they don't say which type of loco the donor actually was. Anybody know? I'm guessing maybe a 37

The Baby Deltic Project are using an original class 23 Deltic engine, combined with parts from a class 37 and bogies from a class 20. All three classes were originally built by English Electric so the class 20 and 37 make good starting points as part donors.


Steven B.

[Crepello]

I had 2 Baby Deltics on order from DJ and would jump at the chance to get them from a new manufacturer. Their (comparatively) small sphere of operation hasn't prevented Heljan from producing an OO version. I might even go for 3 (including a blue D5909.......)

[RBTKraisee]

I wasn't aware of this thread until @Bob G pulled me in, but if there's demand for a model I'm always interested in identifying possible future projects.   So, if you're reading this and want one, please do say here on the thread.

What RTR chassis do you think would make for a good donor for this?

Cheers,

Ross.

[zwilnik]

On their website they make a number of references to the 'donor loco' which is being modified and re-engined to create the replica Baby Deltic, but so far as I could see they don't say which type of loco the donor actually was. Anybody know? I'm guessing maybe a 37

The Baby Deltic Project are using an original class 23 Deltic engine, combined with parts from a class 37 and bogies from a class 20. All three classes were originally built by English Electric so the class 20 and 37 make good starting points as part donors.


Steven B.

Once they've finished the project and it's up and around on railways in the UK I can see there being a boost in demand for a Baby Deltic model.

[Newportnobby]

I'd need a RTR version i.e. fully painted, decalled etc @RBTKraisee as opposed to a self build.
There is a basic body on Shapeways but I'm not sure what chassis it needs

[Bob G]

The old resin models used Farish Class 25 chassis, but as I'm not at all interested in this loco, I've not checked the wheel centres etc.
Bob

[railsquid]

Actually, to answer the thread title - "Class 23 Baby Deltic - did it even get off the ground?" - the answer is only with a tail wind and if the secondman flapped his arms out of the window, and only then for a few seconds.

[emjaybee]

I'd need a RTR version i.e. fully painted, decalled etc @RBTKraisee as opposed to a self build.
There is a basic body on Shapeways but I'm not sure what chassis it needs

Mick, the other option is to let Ross work his magic, get it assembled then pass it to Ozymandias for his deft touch. Granted it would take a while, as I know how long Gideon's work list is, but you'd get RTR quality at similar to RTR price.

[RBTKraisee]

Regarding potential donor chassis for a Baby Deltic, I don't know the bogie wheel spacing, but the main wheelbase figures suggest a Class 33 might be closer than a Class 25...

Wheelbase:
Class 23 - 40ft 6in

Class 25 - 36ft 6in - 48in too short
Class 33 - 39ft 0in - 18in too short


Shame there aren't any Class 82/83/84 chassis out there...

Class 82 - 40ft 9in -  3in too long
Class 83 - 40ft 0in -  6in too short
Class 84 - 39ft 6in - 12in too short

Ross.

[Bob G]

Regarding potential donor chassis for a Baby Deltic, I don't know the bogie wheel spacing, but the main wheelbase figures suggest a Class 33 might be closer than a Class 25...

The old Poole Farish 25 and 33 shared the same chassis, so if I had said 33....I would have been closer but the Poole 33 bogies were sooooo wrong. Looks like it could be a Dapol donor again.
Is the Dapol 26/27 chassis the same as the 33 chassis? And what about the 35? I've used the 35 on class 71/74.

Bob

[Newportnobby]

What a finicky lot. As long as the chassis runs sweetly I'm OK with an old 25 or 33 underneath it as I'm of the opinion "if it looks like a Baby Deltic - it is a Baby Deltic"

[Bob G]

You have not dealt with Ross and his *love* of Dapol yet, have you

[emjaybee]

Yup, you're dealing with a guy who's prepared to send out spare 3D printed rivets in case you accidentally file one off of his printed wagons.

[Dalteth]

What about a class 73? It has 40' 9"?

[PennineWagons]

Actually, to answer the thread title - "Class 23 Baby Deltic - did it even get off the ground?" - the answer is only with a tail wind and if the secondman flapped his arms out of the window, and only then for a few seconds.

If it had been parked anywhere round here yesterday it would have got off the ground all right.
PW