Ground Signals - which way do they face?

Started by REGP, January 31, 2021, 06:05:16 PM

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REGP

My layout is based on eras 4&5

By their every nature sidings and loco depots have traffic moving in both directions across both the track and turnouts.

Are ground signals placed at all 3 possible "entry" points to the turnout or only at one end of the
turnout, if the latter would it always  be the  same end, maybe the tie bar end?

Can anyone help me on this or point to a definitive source for this info.

Many thanks

Ray

JasonBz

Like so many things, the basic answer is "it depends".

In general

Within the confines of a Yard, you most likely wouldn't have any signals, movements would be controlled by the Shunter.

A siding coming off a running line would have a signal controlling access to the siding and another one to control exit moves.

REGP

Thanks @Jasmith thats interesting, I wonder if something similar applied to small Loco yards?

JasonBz

There would be signals to control entry and exit from the Locomotive Depot.

Once "Inside" the yard the Shunter would be in charge of movements, no doubt under the direction of the Shed Foreman as to what was supposed to be going where....

Shunting (of anything) in a yard tends to be quite slow (even if the actual trains move quite fast when they do move) cos the Shunter has to get from A to B to pull the points over, offer hand-signals to the Driver etc


Train Waiting

Quote from: JasonBz on January 31, 2021, 07:31:48 PM
Like so many things, the basic answer is "it depends".

In general

Within the confines of a Yard, you most likely wouldn't have any signals, movements would be controlled by the Shunter.

A siding coming off a running line would have a signal controlling access to the siding and another one to control exit moves.

I agree with this.  There would be a normally a subsidiary signal to allow access from the main line to the yard and at least one to allow access to the main line from the yard depending on track layout.  Ground signals are normal but sometimes smaller semaphore arms are used.  In your period, the Southern Region used ringed signals in some cases for entry to yards and on goods lines, as did the Western Region.

If the yard exit is on a headshunt, the ground signal will be a yellow one to allow it to be passed at danger when going into the headshunt.

Generally, the yard exit subsidiary signal will not be a section signal, so please consider the possibility of a stop signal ahead of the subsidiary signal.

Best wishes.

John

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REGP

Thanks @Jason B and @Train Waiting this was  something that had puzzled me for a while.

Ray

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