"Murder, she said" - train in the movie

[AlexanderJesse]

I am watching "Murder, she said" on TV (I like Christmas Season, 'cause you can watch them old movies on the TV  )... and I am wondering what loco and coaches were used in the movie for the murder train.
Somebody can give me a hint?

After all, I have quite a number of Peco's tiny goods wagons that I am tempted to make me some british themed shunting layout with a run-around. As the book is set in my preferred time period... I would like to have the 4:50 train running around to stress the shunting team

[ntpntpntp]

The 1961 Ursula Straus movie?

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1wuwx0

Can you pinpoint the time it appears?

[AlexanderJesse]

Exactly that movie.

at 0:00:56 the wagons are seen with a shunter, at 1:51 with the big locomotive (with tender)
and at 0:02:40 - 0:02:50 the fast train with miss marple overtakes a slower on with a tank locomotive

When I know what to look for, I can go bargain hunting for those passenger trains

[ntpntpntp]

00:56 looks like a British rail  (ex-GW) pannier tank of some class or other.   Graham Farish 94xx maybe (seems the closest N model based on the style of the steam dome and firebox area)?






I can't make out the loco at 1:50

2:40 ish looks like a British Rail 4MT with early crest, which Graham Farish offer as 372-535:






Someone with better knowledge should be able to suggest the coach types?

[Claude Dreyfus]

Well, it is set (and filmed) on the GWR main line out of Paddington.
The pilot is a 94xx, but the train engine looks to be a Hall (the pipe the the cylinders from the boiler (not sure of the technical term!) is straight, which rules out the King or more obvious Castle. Stock looks to be a mixture, including mark 1s.

It does, however looks to be bit of a cut and paste job with the editing, as departure from 'Paddington' has the train engine with a tender and a trailing wheel (looking more LMS), the suddenly turns into what I think is the Hall, then looses the tender completely becoming the tank engine.

Oh yes, and the stock completely from chocolate and cream marks 1s to suburban stock.

[NinOz]

The pilot is a 94xx,

It has 9410 on the loco.

[Bob G]

The 94xx's were used on ECS and suburban workings in the Paddington area.
I too thought there was a cut to a different region when the train left. Definitely an LMS or LNER design (I'm not up on these so it would be a guess).
The Standard 4MT has probably recently replaced a 61xx large prairie on the suburban run from Paddington to Reading/Oxford.

The train that passes her window is in mirror image, as the number is there but is flipped.





It actually reads 2221 which is a Collett 0-6-0. The cab is definitely GWR and the number of washout plugs on the smokebox is correct at three (Halls have four)



Here is the Peco Collett





Hope this helps
Bob

[Newportnobby]

D.C.I. Bob is on the case. Good work

[Bob G]

D.C.I. Bob is on the case. Good work

I always wanted to be in forensics. Now I do forensic environmental management consulting. aka spreadsheets

Bob

[weave]

Hi Alexander(for the question) and ntpntpntp (for the link),

I know nothing about the question asked but just to say Thank You for the posts as haven't seen the film before. Started watching last night and got intrigued. I was a bit Christmas merried so finished watching this morning. Very enjoyable.

Cheers weave 

[joe cassidy]

Weave I think Jimi Hendrix wrote the song Purple Haze for you!

Bonnes fêtes,



Joe

[AlexanderJesse]

Thanks for all answers.
In a post in the German forum "Drehscheibe Online" I found a link to another German website "Eisenbahn im Film" ( http://www.eisenbahn-im-film.de/eif1.htm ) and there was a link to a specific page on the "Murder she said" ( http://www.eisenbahn-im-film.de/info/murder.htm ). On that page the following locos are noted:
in the station: an ex-GWR tender 2-6-2 of the type 5101
Fast trains: ex-GWR Kings (4-6-0)
Surpassing scene: an ex-GWR type 1000 County Class and a tank 2-6-2
Gulfing scene: a BR D16/8