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Re: Shunter on a tight radius curve?
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2018, 08:57:37 PM »
Fleischmann used to do a decent little 0-4-0 which would turn up reasonably regularly on ebay and at swap-meets etc.   I'm not sure if it's actually in production these days.

Very similar was the Ibertren "Cuckoo".  Long out of production, these were very cheap when available new, and quite decent. They even have knurled wheels like the old Triang locos of the 60s!    My set with loco and 3 spanish coaches cost me £17 in the 80s.   Again they used to turn up on ebay regularly, but 009 modellers used to snap them up as useful chassis.  There was even a version with a smoke unit.

Please excuse the dust, this one's not been run for a long time!

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Re: Shunter on a tight radius curve?
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2018, 09:03:00 PM »
How tricky would it be to change the couplings on some of these smaller locos? They all appear to have couplings that I don’t recognise.

Yes some of the smallest Arnold locos have a simple hook rather than a full Rapido coupling. So does my Ibertren loco.  It works well enough coupled to the normal Rapido, in fact it's better for tight curves.    I'm not sure if it's easily changed, from memory I don't think the Arnold has a standard T shank fitting.
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Re: Shunter on a tight radius curve?
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2018, 09:10:42 PM »
There is also this little 0-4-0

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ARNOLD-N-GAUGE-2086-DB-CLASS-335-167-3-MAROON-DIESEL-SHUNTER-LOCOMOTIVE-OS2/192663983738?hash=item2cdbab167a:g:GgQAAOSwespbo1Yh

I see Rails don't bother to mention that particular model is missing both couplings!  It has those yellow dummy Rk900 shunting couplings but would need Rapidos fitted to actually pull anything.
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Re: Shunter on a tight radius curve?
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2018, 09:18:18 PM »
@Lazy-Ferret    Don't bother with the Lima bogie centre-cab, it's basically an 0-4-0 mechanism like their small shunter (and just as poor), with the other wheels pivoting on fake bogies.



Thanks for that, ironically, I have been looking at the Atlas American ones, but when I saw a BR one on Ebay, I linked to it with out reading it properly... But good to know about the Lima stuff...
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Re: Shunter on a tight radius curve?
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2018, 09:23:45 PM »
..  I saw a BR [Lima centre-cab] on Ebay, I linked to it with out reading it properly... But good to know about the Lima stuff...


Totally fictitious re-livery of a german V100 loco, presumably trying to pretend to be a class 17 but with utterly wrong proportions.  It's not even a good model of the german loco, it has a large bulge on one side to accommodate the Lima motor gearing.
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Re: Shunter on a tight radius curve?
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2018, 09:42:15 PM »
..  I saw a BR [Lima centre-cab] on Ebay, I linked to it with out reading it properly... But good to know about the Lima stuff...


Totally fictitious re-livery of a german V100 loco, presumably trying to pretend to be a class 17 but with utterly wrong proportions.  It's not even a good model of the german loco, it has a large bulge on one side to accommodate the Lima motor gearing.

My research lead me to an american modell "Plymouth MDT" (http://www.spurweite-n.de/ncontent/ndb/ndb-artdetails.asp?ID=453057377&DoLog=0&Sel_Bezeichnung_VString=&Sel_Produktdatum_VString=&Sel_KatQuelle_FString=&Sel_Produktstatus_FString=&Sel_Hersteller_FString=&Sel_ArtikelNr_VString=&Sel_Mixed_Full=Mdt&Sel_ORDERBY=Bezeichnung&Sel_Vertrieb_FString=&Sel_Epoche_FString=&Sel_Baureihe_VString=&Sel_MitBild_Bool=&Sel_Digitalschnittstelle_FString=&Sel_Gesellschaft_FString=&DispCount=25&Sel_Gattung1_FString=&Sel_Gattung2_FString=&ToShow=0&MaxCount=23)

I believe the class 27 should reference a british class: Typ MDT BR 332 (Class 27)
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Re: Shunter on a tight radius curve?
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2018, 11:57:26 AM »
http://www.limabritishho.co.uk/LBHO-Locomotives.htm

Shows some Lima locos... including the mentioned 0-4-0 shunter
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Re: Shunter on a tight radius curve?
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2018, 12:08:54 PM »
http://www.limabritishho.co.uk/LBHO-Locomotives.htm

Shows some Lima locos... including the mentioned 0-4-0 shunter


Not quite - those are HO models not N.  The HO model of the centre-cab diesel didn't even try to represent the bogies.
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Re: Shunter on a tight radius curve?
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2018, 01:14:52 PM »
http://www.limabritishho.co.uk/LBHO-Locomotives.htm

Shows some Lima locos... including the mentioned 0-4-0 shunter


Not quite - those are HO models not N.  The HO model of the centre-cab diesel didn't even try to represent the bogies.

Now I see... but it mentions the Plymouth MDT and its use on the British islands railways
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Re: Shunter on a tight radius curve?
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2018, 01:48:19 PM »
Now I see... but it mentions the Plymouth MDT and its use on the British islands railways

Not as far as I know, unless there's one used in industry or dockside use somewhere.  Certainly not on BR, so in that respect it's totally fictitious.  Some manufacturers do these sorts of fantasy paint-jobs with their cheaper models, just to sell more models in other markets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Rail_modern_traction_locomotive_classes
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Re: Shunter on a tight radius curve?
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2018, 09:54:31 AM »

I see Rails don't bother to mention that particular model is missing both couplings!  It has those yellow dummy Rk900 shunting couplings but would need Rapidos fitted to actually pull anything.

I messaged them about fitting some and they said that they weren’t sure about doing it which makes me think it’s a trickier job than I anticipated. Is this something you’ve done before?

Thanks
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Re: Shunter on a tight radius curve?
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2018, 01:03:40 PM »
I messaged [Rails] about fitting some [couplings] and they said that they weren’t sure about doing it which makes me think it’s a trickier job than I anticipated. Is this something you’ve done before?
I don't personally own an Arnold Köf III (though a friend does).   Looking at the exploded diagram for the current model it takes standard sprung T-shank couplings so should be just a case of removing the bottom plate and fitting the couplings.  Easy enough.   I doubt the older models are any different.

https://www.hornby.com/uk-en/downloads/view/download/item/581
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Re: Shunter on a tight radius curve?
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2018, 06:50:04 PM »
 :hellosign:

Hi Paul,

I hope you don't mind me taking  advantage of your question to get a bit of practice in with videos  ;)

As you see from the ruler, my upper level oval is about 8" across (20.5cm) which is approx. 4" radius.

The first loco is a Graham Farish 04 class diesel shunter …..

https://www.modelmaniacs.co.uk/rail/graham-farish-n-gauge/diesel-electric-locos-139/graham-farish-371-051c-class-04-diesel-shunter-d2259-br-blue-with-wasp-stripes

Which goes round perfectly well, without any modification

The second loco, which is the one I run is my Dapol Terrier, a beautiful little loco. As I mentioned before I had to file the centre flanges off, which was a job fraught with danger  :o  :goggleeyes:  :o

Anyway, I hope this helps …



All best wishes
Kevin

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Re: Shunter on a tight radius curve?
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2018, 11:41:04 PM »
Thanks Kevin. That’s good to see. It’s something I’ve been quite nervous about. I’m hoping to purchase a loco before starting any serious scenery work just in case I need to modify anything.

Seeing your little video has made me more confident now though!

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Re: Shunter on a tight radius curve?
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2018, 02:02:45 PM »
Hi Paul,

Glad to be of help, and glad to have the excuse to practice with video.

On a tiny layout every mm really does count, so be careful with any clearances with scenery, especially with curves. You can get some really big overhangs with some wagons. My platform edge had to be miles away from the track  :D

It is well worth it to check running with your wagons before fixing anything permanent. The little diesel shunter should suit you well though.

All best wishes
Kevin

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