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Re: Dapol New Releases 2016/17
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2016, 11:31:10 AM »
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Dapol have said repeatedly that the BoB/WC will not go to tooling until they have got the mechanism right - and that mechanism had to work and keep on working

Are they having the same problems Bulleid had with the chain driven valve gear in an oil bath?
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Re: Dapol New Releases 2016/17
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2016, 05:17:38 PM »
Hello,

I could do with a few refurbished Class 26's, its a long while since there was a run of these. Guess I will have to dig around for a second hand one. Shame as they cover a popular period in early sectorisation.

I don't see the point of DCC fitting all locomotives - after all if you want to fit sound the DCC chip is superfluous, so there may be more than a few people disappointed with this.

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Paul

If the 68's are DCC only then Dapol have lost a sale here they are regular here and I was planning a new layout using class 68 and modern liveried DMU's

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Re: Dapol New Releases 2016/17
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2016, 06:06:35 PM »
I would hope the class 68, and all new locomotives, will still remain to be DC compatible.
Whilst it had not crossed by mind that of course anyone wishing to fit DCC Sound would need to bin the decoder if company's like Dapol and Farish want to encourage DCC then the next logical step must be to only sell DCC fitted locomotives with the blanking plate in the extras Bag as they do now.

Having seen the Co-op/Argos containers in OO gauge I thought they looked very attractive and I am glad they are being produced in N. Still need to decide on which Scotrail class 68 I want to get first.

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Re: Dapol New Releases 2016/17
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2016, 06:16:13 PM »
I would hope the class 68, and all new locomotives, will still remain to be DC compatible.
Whilst it had not crossed by mind that of course anyone wishing to fit DCC Sound would need to bin the decoder if company's like Dapol and Farish want to encourage DCC then the next logical step must be to only sell DCC fitted locomotives with the blanking plate in the extras Bag as they do now.

Not sure that would be a very sensible step, given that it'll increase the cost of the model and probably lose sales. There are a lot of people who either don't want DCC at all, or want to fit their preferred type of chip not one chosen by the suppliers of the loco.

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Re: Dapol New Releases 2016/17
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2016, 06:36:23 PM »
As it stands when I fit a DCC sound chip in a Farish or a Dapol  DCC socket model I have to strip out the socket and all the gubbins that go with it to fit the sound chip and the speaker.

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Re: Dapol New Releases 2016/17
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2016, 06:40:31 PM »
My point was also about inconsistency, why rush the schools with the old motor drive when you are trying to build a new super loco/motor which could benefit the schools as well.
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Schools was further in the development process.  If CAD has to be abandoned and restarted then that costs money.

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Re: Dapol New Releases 2016/17
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2016, 06:44:38 PM »
My point was also about inconsistency, why rush the schools with the old motor drive when you are trying to build a new super loco/motor which could benefit the schools as well.
Graham

Bear in mind this was well down the development line when the folks at Dapol changed over. They can't go back and scrap and redesign everything - it'd simply cost them a fortune.

I expect the Schools to still be a good model. The 5 pole skew wound motor it'll use is still a respectable unit - yes, they have their problems, but most still run well.

I suspect since GF released their unrebuilt Bullied with a coreless drive, it may have forced Dapol into a rethink, as direct comparisons will be drawn between the two (as basically they are the same loco, albeit cosmetically different).

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Re: Dapol New Releases 2016/17
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2016, 07:08:32 PM »
Sorry Dr Al and Les but I'll have to assume you know something more than me on this one. CADs for schools shared on another forum on 24 Jan 2013, CADs for BoB and WC original and rebuilt form shared on same forum 31 Jan 2013.
Management change Aug 2013 with schools EP appearing in September 2015.
I do agree the MN from Farish will have put the pressure on to change as the coreless n class is amazing even compared to Draycott Manor.

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Re: Dapol New Releases 2016/17
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2016, 07:23:44 PM »
Management change Aug 2013 with schools EP appearing in September 2015.

I think that says it all - the tooling would have been completed to first EP level before the management change.

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Re: Dapol New Releases 2016/17
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2016, 12:52:48 PM »
Hello,

I could do with a few refurbished Class 26's, its a long while since there was a run of these. Guess I will have to dig around for a second hand one. Shame as they cover a popular period in early sectorisation.

I don't see the point of DCC fitting all locomotives - after all if you want to fit sound the DCC chip is superfluous, so there may be more than a few people disappointed with this.

Regards,
Paul

If the 68's are DCC only then Dapol have lost a sale here they are regular here and I was planning a new layout using class 68 and modern liveried DMU's

Dave

The recent announcement was for additional locos to the non-DCC ones already announced. There will be the same range of locos available DC (but DCC ready) or DCC fitted.
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Re: Dapol New Releases 2016/17
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2016, 01:42:16 PM »
Management change Aug 2013 with schools EP appearing in September 2015.

I think that says it all - the tooling would have been completed to first EP level before the management change.

Cheers,
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Re: Dapol New Releases 2016/17
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2016, 05:57:11 PM »
Just received a list of new releases for the next two years from Dapol. Is it me or are we all going to be running Digital?


DA2P-012-303   *Maunsell Coach BR 1st Class SR Green 7208
DA2P-012-304   *Maunsell Coach BR 1st Class SR Green 7367
DA2P-012-353   *Maunsell Coach BR Brake 3rd Class SR Green 4050
DA2P-012-354   *Maunsell Coach BR Brake 3rd Class SR Green 4482
DA2P-012-402   *Maunsell Coach BR 3rd Class SR Green 810
DA2P-012-403   *Maunsell Coach BR 3rd Class SR Green 823
DA2P-012-453   *Maunsell Coach BR Composite SR Green 5150
DA2P-012-454   *Maunsell Coach BR Composite SR Green 5149
DA2P-012-503   *Maunsell Coach BR Brake Van SR Green 750
DA2P-012-504   *Maunsell Coach BR Brake Van SR Green 766


More Maunsells in BR(S) Green, but the Dapol record for accuracy is up for debate again...

-304: 7367 was not a Maunsell First, it was a 'Continental' First. I recall a similar error with the first batch of these and it turned out to be 7667 (which is correct) - so what are they going to make it this time?

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-354: 4482 is an incorrect number - in SR days 4482 was a Boat train 2nd, which was renumbered 2773 when it (and the other BSK and SKs built at the same time) was downgraded to 3rd in 1954. It would have been reclassified 2nd in 1956 when 3rd class was redesignated 2nd class, but kept its number. If they wanted to portray that particular coach then the number when in BR(S) Green should be S2773S.
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« Last Edit: May 16, 2016, 05:07:25 PM by talisman56, Reason: Added prototype notes for -354 »
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Re: Dapol New Releases 2016/17
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2016, 04:32:13 PM »
Just by way of an update Class33's and all the Schools are now due for release this month. Schools Out!!!

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Re: Dapol New Releases 2016/17
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2016, 09:16:23 PM »
Ah - but what does release mean? Released onto the boat, which means at least another 6 weeks away, methinks? Released from UK customs to the retailers?
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Re: Dapol New Releases 2016/17
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2016, 09:30:41 PM »
Ah - but what does release mean? Released onto the boat, which means at least another 6 weeks away, methinks? Released from UK customs to the retailers?
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