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Cattle wagons
« on: February 19, 2016, 06:43:31 PM »
I'm thinking of modelling a few cattle wagons with cattle in (N gauge ones of course!!).
How many cattle would normally travel in each wagon do you think?
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Re: Cattle wagons
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2016, 07:07:49 PM »
Cattle wagons had a capacity of 12 tons so you can work back from there. A full grown Holstein cow weighs an average of about 1,500 lbs (thatís nearly 1 ton). Based on that I would guess that 12-15 cows per wagon would be plausible.
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: Cattle wagons
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2016, 07:19:23 PM »
Cattle wagons had a capacity of 12 tons so you can work back from there. A full grown Holstein cow weighs an average of about 1,500 lbs (thatís nearly 1 ton). Based on that I would guess that 12-15 cows per wagon would be plausible.
Thanks Karhedron - I'm off to do a search for N gauge cows!!
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Re: Cattle wagons
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2016, 07:29:50 PM »
12 cows in a cattle van seems a lot to me.

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Re: Cattle wagons
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2016, 07:48:45 PM »
12 cows in a cattle van seems a lot to me.

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Joe
To be honest Joe I'm not sure how big an N gauge cow is!! Once I find a reasonably priced source I'll by a dozen and see how they might fit into a Peco cattle wagon.
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Re: Cattle wagons
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2016, 08:06:55 PM »
12 cows in a cattle van seems a lot to me.

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Joe
On the other hand, I guess they had to be loaded quite tightly to avoid damage to each other (eg rough shunting).
I reckon 10-12 friesians per wagon isn't going to be far off.
If it looks right then it most probably is right.


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Re: Cattle wagons
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2016, 08:31:25 PM »
Taking into consideration the thickness of N gauge model cattle wagons, the likelihood that model cattle will be over scale size and the lack of vision through the slats, I would think you could easily get away with loading 2-3 in each and it looking fine. Looking across at my layout, with some cows on it, I would be very surprised if you could fit anything like 10-12 in a wagon!

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Re: Cattle wagons
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2016, 08:40:47 PM »
Taking into consideration the thickness of N gauge model cattle wagons, the likelihood that model cattle will be over scale size and the lack of vision through the slats, I would think you could easily get away with loading 2-3 in each and it looking fine. Looking across at my layout, with some cows on it, I would be very surprised if you could fit anything like 10-12 in a wagon!

Best wishes
Simon
You could be right. I think the best plan is to buy a few cows and see how they fit. If I buy too many I'm quite partial to nice steak, beef stew or burger so nothing to lose really.
Thanks all...
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Re: Cattle wagons
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2016, 09:31:36 PM »
Farish now do packs of cows, Bob (ref 379-341)

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Re: Cattle wagons
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2016, 09:53:13 PM »
Farish now do packs of cows, Bob (ref 379-341)

I'm sure they are nice, but they make fillet steak look decidedly cheap.

I would think if they are part hidden in a cattle wagon then some of the cheapy Chinese ones on ebay may be adequate.

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Re: Cattle wagons
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2016, 10:01:20 PM »
Farish now do packs of cows, Bob (ref 379-341)

I'm sure they are nice, but they make fillet steak look decidedly cheap.

I would think if they are part hidden in a cattle wagon then some of the cheapy Chinese ones on ebay may be adequate.

I believe Noch are even pricier :goggleeyes:
I bought some from Country Scenes but they seem horribly underscale although this wouldn't matter so much if they were inside the wagons.

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Re: Cattle wagons
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2016, 10:18:34 PM »
This photo from the NRM is quite useful. It shows what looks like around 10-12 cattle per pen. Assuming that each pen holds one wagon-load of cattle, it looks like a by-the-weight estimate is in the right ball-park.

« Last Edit: February 19, 2016, 10:19:46 PM by Karhedron »
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: Cattle wagons
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2016, 10:18:48 PM »
How many cattle would normally travel in each wagon
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It depends , , Dexter(see below) or Charolais  ;D

I think the best plan is to buy a few cows
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 quite partial to nice steak, beef stew or burger so nothing to lose really.
Steady on Bob, that can be a slippery slope,
we started with a few chicken and rabbits,
but,
 may I introduce you to Treacle & Honey our two dexter :) [long since gone to fillet, sirloin and topside  :D ]

and for scale here is a sheep in the background :

The sheep is supposed to be this side of the electric, but there's always one to confound !
« Last Edit: February 19, 2016, 10:22:43 PM by MalcolmAL »

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Re: Cattle wagons
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2016, 10:33:08 PM »
I have some rather nice Preiser cows, so I have nothing to beef about and will not cause a rump-us.

Been working on some 2mm cattle wagon bodies I assembled a couple of years back...LNER, LMS, and B.R. examples. I had brush painted them with Phoenix enamel bauxite. Now having an airbrush I wanted to strip them and use the airbrush. Cadged some Superdrug acetone nail varnish remover from my daughter and had a trial run (payback for Dad's taxi used frequently lol)  It worked a treat but did require a second coating. Airbrushed them with Howe's acrylic, and what a difference...so much more detail shows through. I'm pretty good with a paintbrush after 50+ years of using them, but the airbrush wins on this sort of job.

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Re: Cattle wagons
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2016, 10:35:40 PM »
Ah.. But they don't look very N gauge!!
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They are good looking animals though. I'd just luv to give them a good hug..
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Size matters - especially if you don't have a lot of space - and N gauge is the answer!

Bob Austin

 

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