Farish Cornish Rivera Express Train Set

REGP · December 14, 2015, 09:55:58 PM

This set only comes with 2 Mk 1 coaches a BSK & a SO.

Does anyone know the running number of the Second Open supplied with this set?

The reason I ask is if I bought this set I would want to buy a couple more SO's or SK's and would like them to match the one with the set rather than an older tooling.

Although there are a couple types of 1st class coaches currently available I can't trace any 2nd class ones

Any info much appreciated.

Ray

johnlambert · December 14, 2015, 10:04:11 PM

I have the set but I can't find the SO to read off the running number. I thought the brake was a composite, so BCK rather than BSK.

In my collection I've got the following chocolate and cream coaches, which are all the new-style so will go with the set coaches:

374-818   Mk1 First Open         W3085
374-082   Mk1 Brake Corridor Composite         W21080
374-189B   Mk1 Brake Second Corridor         W34855
374-014A   Mk1 Second Open         W3791
374-064B   Mk1 Second Corridor         W24747
374-256A   Mk1 Composite Corridor         W15777
374-019   Mk1 RMB         W1813

ten0G · December 14, 2015, 10:16:20 PM

Hi,

Don't have the set but the info I've seen suggests:

SO W3791
BCK W21080

REGP · December 14, 2015, 10:32:45 PM

Many thanks Guys

Yes it is a BCK not a BSK (slip of the finger there)

The info is great, I can now start looking to see if I can source the additional coaches.

Ray

PLD · December 14, 2015, 11:46:07 PM

If it helps; all loco, coaches and wagons included in Farish sets have numbers unique to that set, so as long as you don't buy from someone splitting the same set, there is no danger of duplicating numbers...

ten0G · December 15, 2015, 10:21:30 AM

Quote from: PLD on December 14, 2015, 11:46:07 PM
If it helps; all loco, coaches and wagons included in Farish sets have numbers unique to that set, so as long as you don't buy from someone splitting the same set, there is no danger of duplicating numbers...

Not sure if that's true, BCK W21080 is 374-082 and SO W3791 is 374-014A, see coaches listed in johnlambert's post.

Also, see http://www.ngauge.org.uk

Yet_Another · December 15, 2015, 12:42:41 PM

Definitely not true. The rolling stock in the Newspaper Train set is duplicated by individual items (GUV & BG), and (from memory) at least the restaurant car in the Cumbrian Express is a duplicate.

MikeDunn · December 15, 2015, 01:09:02 PM

Well ... it makes sense for them to run off a further 512 (or however many sets they made) coaches of each number ... no need to reset the line for several small runs, just bash out a few more of the normal ones

I guess more of us will have to learn the "black art" of renumbering

Chris Morris · December 15, 2015, 02:58:04 PM

The numbers are so small that I can't read them so I don't have a problem with duplicate numbers.

REGP · December 15, 2015, 03:44:10 PM

Have to agree that running numbers are so small you can't read them from normal viewing distance (at least I can't) and duplication of numbers is not a problem for me.

My reasons for wanting to know them was so I could match the tooling and hopefully the actual colours of the livery of any extra coaches I might buy. So hopefully if the SO number is available outside the set I might be able to pick up another one or two of that one.

Ray

johnlambert · December 15, 2015, 04:53:34 PM

I've seen quite a few dealers with the Riviera coaches split from the set, so you might well find some extra ones to make up a longer train. And hopefully not have to pay too much (relatively speaking).

Trying to mix old and new-style coaches doesn't work (strictly in my opinion). I had some old-style chocolate and cream Graham Farish Mk1 coaches, which I bought cheaply. When I tried running them with the new ones the resulting train just didn't look right somehow and I ended up selling them on ebay. Now all my Graham Farish coaches are the latest type and I do think they look great running together.

It is worth noting that you could, and frequently did, see trains that were a mix of different liveries. I've seen a couple of pictures where the train included maroon, chocolate and cream and crimson and cream coaches. So if you can't get more chocolate and cream coaches don't be afraid to substitute other colours.

MikeDunn · December 15, 2015, 05:18:34 PM

Quote from: johnlambert on December 15, 2015, 04:53:34 PM
Trying to mix old and new-style coaches doesn't work (strictly in my opinion). I had some old-style chocolate and cream Graham Farish Mk1 coaches, which I bought cheaply. When I tried running them with the new ones the resulting train just didn't look right somehow

Can you be a bit more analytical on that ? I would like to think that old-style & new-style would go together, unless the older ones weren't right or were visibly less right than the new ones ...

austinbob · December 15, 2015, 05:25:11 PM

Quote from: MikeDunn on December 15, 2015, 05:18:34 PM
Quote from: johnlambert on December 15, 2015, 04:53:34 PM
Trying to mix old and new-style coaches doesn't work (strictly in my opinion). I had some old-style chocolate and cream Graham Farish Mk1 coaches, which I bought cheaply. When I tried running them with the new ones the resulting train just didn't look right somehow
Can you be a bit more analytical on that ? I would like to think that old-style & new-style would go together, unless the older ones weren't right or were visibly less right than the new ones ...

Two things I noticed about old and new Mike is that the colours are noticeably different and the couplings of the newer coaches are much closer coupled. I actually took some of the old coaches back to my retailer for replacement by the newer versions because of these differences

MikeDunn · December 15, 2015, 08:35:57 PM

Minor colour differences are one thing; major ones ...

Cheers

johnlambert · December 16, 2015, 07:29:34 AM

Quote from: MikeDunn on December 15, 2015, 05:18:34 PM
Quote from: johnlambert on December 15, 2015, 04:53:34 PM
Trying to mix old and new-style coaches doesn't work (strictly in my opinion). I had some old-style chocolate and cream Graham Farish Mk1 coaches, which I bought cheaply. When I tried running them with the new ones the resulting train just didn't look right somehow
Can you be a bit more analytical on that ? I would like to think that old-style & new-style would go together, unless the older ones weren't right or were visibly less right than the new ones ...

Didn't have time for a more analytical post yesterday. In my view the shortcomings of the older-style Graham Farish Mk1 coaches (the ones with printed sides) are as follows:

Vast coupling gaps between old-style coaches
Very plain ends compared with the newer models
Roof detail is noticeably lacking (new models have separate wire handrails)
Body sides lack the level of detail of newer coaches
Under-frame detail is a lot simpler (not a huge issue when running as you can't see what's underneath)
Lack of NEM pockets making it harder to change couplings (I've fitted shorter couplings to a lot of my newer coaches to achieve more realistic coupling distances).

I'm sure it is possible to add detailing parts to improve the appearance of the old coaches. And it may be that the issue is mine and mine alone, but I wasn't happy mixing the two types. Here are a couple of photos, which will exaggerate the differences as they are quite close-up:

Old-style BR Mk1 BG in Chocolate and Cream

New style BR Mk1 BG in Chocolate and Cream