Maunsell Coaches in BR(S) Green seem to be selling like hotcakes

[PaulinSouthMidlands]

It seems to me that these are selling well. I'm not surprised as there was never that much in the way of loco hauled Mk1 stock on the southern prior to the demise of steam (especially outside Kent) and anyone with a Southern layout basically had to kitbuild until a year or so ago to have any decent SR coach stock.

Farish Bogie Luggage Van  - Sold Out (from Farish - still some stocks at shops)
Farish Bulleid Coaches in green - Sold out
Dapol Maunsell Brake Vans - Seemingly sold out from ehattons before they were ever available (presumably the whole lot went on pre orders)

This ought to bode well for future models and reruns.

There is certainly a lot of scope for both Farish and Dapol to increase their ranges:

Dapol are already tooling up a 6 compartment brake compo and four compartment brake third, release 2Q16

Quick wins would be:

Maunsell High Windows (Dapol)
Bulleid small ventilator (Farish) - this is dead easy,all they need is a different window insert.
Bulleid Brake compo both types (Farish).

Moderately easy:
8'6 and/or 8'0 Maunsells (Dapol)
Corridor bogie luggage van (Farish)
59' Bulleids (Farish)

Quite a bit of work
Maunsell third open & Maunsell Kitchen first (Dapol)
Maunsell Push pull 2 set (modified BTK and TO) (Dapol)
Bulleid Tavern Car Set (Farish)


Lets hope bullets are bitten.

The other thing that would be really good would be a 3 car thumper set

[Dorsetmike]

The push pull set should be a no brainer from Dapol, given they do the M7, mind you they'd then need to do a push pull fitted M7 (I've modded 3 of mine so don't need one) They should also do a push pull set of ex LSWR stock as they were in use far longer than the Maunsells that were not converted until BR days.

[Bob G]

Hi Mike
I'd like to do that (retrofit push-pull gear to an M7) as at least one of mine should have it but it wasnt modelled by Dapol (30128).
where did you source the parts?
Bob

[joe cassidy]

Maybe people are buying these coaches to go with their new N Class and Spam cans from Farish ?

Best regards,


Joe

[7P5F]

Maybe people are buying these coaches to go with their new N Class and Spam cans from Farish ?

Best regards,


Joe

  Yes,your right,i managed to get three after trawling the internet but they were sold out almost everywhere.Iv`e got the three car set on preorder from Hattons.They do look good behind the new Merchant Navies,Superb locos!.

                          Ray.

[port perran]

Maybe people are buying these coaches to go with their new N Class and Spam cans from Farish ?

Best regards

Joe

Probably quite right there. I feel that there has been a general upsurge in interest in all things SR in the last few months.

[Bob G]

The difference between the SR and the other three train operating companies is that most of the SR coaches were operated in semi-permanently-coupled sets. Because the SR used to split its long distance trains to go to different terminii, each set would have sufficient brake van storage, so you would see lots of brake vans on a single train leaving Waterloo for the west of England, which would then split after Exeter to go to different Devon and Cornwall terminii.

This is a fantastic reference for coach sets on the southern: http://www.semgonline.com/coach/sets.html

The low window Maunsells which Dapol have produced could be used to make the following sets: (see spreadsheet on link for precise details)
390-400 Waterloo-West of England 3 car sets BTK-CK-BTK (1926-1961)
444-454 Waterloo-West of England 3 car sets BTK-CK-BTK (1928-1958)
444-454, 465-468 Reading-Tonbridge/Brighton 2-car sets BSK-CK (1963-1965)
444-454 London-Folkestone/Ramsgate 4 car sets BTK-CK-CK-BTK (1929-1959)
465-468 London-Eastbourne sets e.g. BTK-TK-FK-FK-FK-FK-TK-BTK (1929-1961)
469-470 London-Worthing/Eastbourne sets BTK-TK-TK-FK-FK-FK-TK-TBK (1927-1961)

For those that dont know, the standard coach names are made up from these abbreviations b=brake, T=third, S=second, F=First, C=composite, K=corridor
It gets messy for various types of buffets, restaurant cars and sleepers!

The Dapol 4 coach boxed sets contain the less common coaches with numbers from set 469-470, the FKs and the TKs as well as a BTK, so they can shift the less commonly used coaches, because people trying to model accurate shorter sets will only buy the BTK/BSK and the CK variants.

I have bought coaches to make two three car sets - so i needed four brakes and two composites. Thats why the brakes have sold out, when for other train operating companies, brake coaches were less common.

These are stunning models, and will look good behind any southern engine - M7, Schools, N, MN, BB/WC... and also the Ivatt 2-MT, Fairburn 4-MT and Standard 3-MT and 4-MT tanks, Standard 4 mogul and Standard 5MT too.

The whole body comes off to fit the light bar, so there is no light leakage around the roof, and the corridor connections are a fantastic design.

One of my coaches had a stiff bogie. After dis-assembly, i found that the light bar connection on the seat moulding could foul the close coupling mechanism, and it had been filed back on five of my six coaches, but not the sixth, so if you have tight bogies, this is the reason why, and you can shave a bit of plastic off and all will be well.

Hope this helps.
Bob

[PaulinSouthMidlands]

The difference between the SR and the other three train operating companies is that most of the SR coaches were operated in semi-permanently-coupled sets. Because the SR used to split its long distance trains to go to different terminii, each set would have sufficient brake van storage, so you would see lots of brake vans on a single train leaving Waterloo for the west of England, which would then split after Exeter to go to different Devon and Cornwall terminii.

This is a fantastic reference for coach sets on the southern: http://www.semgonline.com/coach/sets.html

The low window Maunsells which Dapol have produced could be used to make the following sets: (see spreadsheet on link for precise details)
390-400 Waterloo-West of England 3 car sets BTK-CK-BTK (1926-1961)
444-454 Waterloo-West of England 3 car sets BTK-CK-BTK (1928-1958)
444-454, 465-468 Reading-Tonbridge/Brighton 2-car sets BSK-CK (1963-1965)
444-454 London-Folkestone/Ramsgate 4 car sets BTK-CK-CK-BTK (1929-1959)
465-468 London-Eastbourne sets e.g. BTK-TK-FK-FK-FK-FK-TK-BTK (1929-1961)
469-470 London-Worthing/Eastbourne sets BTK-TK-TK-FK-FK-FK-TK-TBK (1927-1961)

For those that dont know, the standard coach names are made up from these abbreviations b=brake, T=third, S=second, F=First, C=composite, K=corridor
It gets messy for various types of buffets, restaurant cars and sleepers!

The Dapol 4 coach boxed sets contain the less common coaches with numbers from set 469-470, the FKs and the TKs as well as a BTK, so they can shift the less commonly used coaches, because people trying to model accurate shorter sets will only buy the BTK/BSK and the CK variants.

I have bought coaches to make two three car sets - so i needed four brakes and two composites. Thats why the brakes have sold out, when for other train operating companies, brake coaches were less common.

These are stunning models, and will look good behind any southern engine - M7, Schools, N, MN, BB/WC... and also the Ivatt 2-MT, Fairburn 4-MT and Standard 3-MT and 4-MT tanks, Standard 4 mogul and Standard 5MT too.

The whole body comes off to fit the light bar, so there is no light leakage around the roof, and the corridor connections are a fantastic design.

One of my coaches had a stiff bogie. After dis-assembly, i found that the light bar connection on the seat moulding could foul the close coupling mechanism, and it had been filed back on five of my six coaches, but not the sixth, so if you have tight bogies, this is the reason why, and you can shave a bit of plastic off and all will be well.

Hope this helps.
Bob

Hi Bob,

Note quite- the 3 car sets you refer to (highlighted in red) are 4 compartment brakes not six compartment, so you will need to wait for the Dapol 4 compartment brakes to appear next year to replicate those sets. I've already bought a composite in case by then they are no longer available.

The ones I've highlighted in orange were 8'6 wide without a guards ducket or the narrow bit by the guards area, whereas the Dapol ones are 9' wide with ducket and narrow guards area. To model those accurately (in high window form) you need an Etched Pixels maunsell conversion kit for farish "maunsells" or to cut the sides off the Dapol and replace with an etched side.

Probably not significant enough for a lot of people to worry but the subject is complex.

The forthcoming 4 compartment brake and brake compo will increase the range  and the high window mod I did in the photo below enables you to do a lot more:

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[Bob G]

Oh dear - My whole world has fallen apart for the want of fewer compartments. 
i shall probably cope - i was only looking at high window/low window variants.

But on a much happier note, i sourced a USA tank kit from Slimrails / Chivers Finelines last week and a cheap Roco chassis for it from Germany via EBay

Bob

[d-a-n]

The low window Maunsells which Dapol have produced could be used to make the following sets: (see spreadsheet on link for precise details)
390-400 Waterloo-West of England 3 car sets BTK-CK-BTK (1926-1961)
444-454 Waterloo-West of England 3 car sets BTK-CK-BTK (1928-1958)
444-454, 465-468 Reading-Tonbridge/Brighton 2-car sets BSK-CK (1963-1965)
444-454 London-Folkestone/Ramsgate 4 car sets BTK-CK-CK-BTK (1929-1959)
465-468 London-Eastbourne sets e.g. BTK-TK-FK-FK-FK-FK-TK-BTK (1929-1961)
469-470 London-Worthing/Eastbourne sets BTK-TK-TK-FK-FK-FK-TK-TBK (1927-1961)

Hope this helps.
Bob

Thanks for sifting through the list and putting this together Bob, it gives me a good idea of what was run in what order!

[Karhedron]

Talisman has put together a good list of what can be done with the Dapol coaches on RMWeb. Just be aware that the current Brake 3rd is a 6-compartment to diagram D.2102 and is a relatively uncommon vehicle. The more common 4-compartment brake 3rd D.2101 which you need for things like the regular BTK-CK-BTK 3-sets. This is in the pipeline from Dapol but has not arrived yet.

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/88448-dapol-maunsell-coaches-in-n/

[PaulinSouthMidlands]

Talisman has put together a good list of what can be done with the Dapol coaches on RMWeb. Just be aware that the current Brake 3rd is a 6-compartment to diagram D.2102 and is a relatively uncommon vehicle. The more common 4-compartment brake 3rd D.2101 which you need for things like the regular BTK-CK-BTK 3-sets. This is in the pipeline from Dapol but has not arrived yet.

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/88448-dapol-maunsell-coaches-in-n/

Sets 244-247 are some good "near misses". These were four car sets "N" and had a low window first with high window third and two high window brake thirds. Not quite but very near and if you are brave enough to do the high window conversion on one of the thirds you can pass it off as fully accurate as, as has been pointed out earlier, two out of the four coaches have the compartment side facing the viewer.