Settle-Carlisle rolling stock - early 1980s

[MikeDunn]

Please refer to original post, the paragraph refers to freight services

Seeing as your post went on about IC stock ... whatever ...

[PaulCheffus]

Please refer to original post, the paragraph refers to freight services

Seeing as your post went on about IC stock ... whatever ...

Hi

I think you may have misread the post as it mentions company trains in the paragraph relating to the 37s. The reference to IC is in the paragraph above.

Cheers

Paul

[MJKERR]

Seeing as your post went on about IC stock

The post is split into three main paragraphs
The first is the regional services, between Carlisle and Leeds
The second is the freight
The third are the diversions, which would see Inter City trains using the route

[Jonner]

Back to the mags again 40192 8G15 Carlisle-Healey Mills consisted TTA 2x Tube then approx 18 16t Minerals with a Prestwin in the centre of the train and a standard brake at the rear 26/03/82.
25161 PW train usual engineers wagons from Ribblehead Quarry undated.
40169 4x Van Wide's pictured at Warcop 13/05/83.

[Glen B]

I have a few pics of the line from that period on my Smugmug site here: http://glenbatten.smugmug.com/Routes-1/Settle-and-Carlisle/

[davidinyork]

I have a few pics of the line from that period on my Smugmug site here: http://glenbatten.smugmug.com/Routes-1/Settle-and-Carlisle/

Think there's a mistake in one of your captions - the loco listed as 47044 has ETS connections so is a 47/4.

[Glen B]

Thank you!  I'll correct that next editing session.

[davidinyork]

Just to resuscitate this thread, I've collected a representative collection of locos, mostly second-hand, over the past couple of years and am a fair way there with a representative selection of passenger carriages.

What I haven't tackled yet is freight stock, and I would welcome any advice on what would be suitable (preferably stuff which is reasonably easily available).

I'm reasonably well up with carriages, but my knowledge of freight stock is fairly lacking!

Thanks

[Mr PJ]

Hello David,

To get the ball rolling there were three main locations I can think of on the S&C where freight traffic originated.
Horton-in-Ribblesdale had a ballast siding, where stone was loaded.
A typical train would be a Class 25 or Class 40 and dogfish type hoppers. Dapol used to do these, but they seem fairly difficult to come by nowadays. I have seen pictures of the larger bogie wagons in use too (Farish did these, but they only seem available in modern liveries at the moment), plus 13 ton mineral wagons in use, which are readily available. I am sure mermaids must have been used too, and they will be available soon courtesy of DJM!

Long Meg had a gypsum siding (still does?), but the hoppers in use on this were unique to this traffic. I think one of the railway mags covered this some time back. You might get away with 20 ton vac-brake hoppers, sheeted up - they always had tarpaulins when running loaded.
Class 40 or maybe 47 would be the power for this work.

Also there was MOD traffic from Warcop, a typical train might be a few Railfreight livery 4 wheel box vans, hauled by Class 25, 40, 45 or 47. I am not sure if low-loaders with tanks were transported to and from here?

There used to be through freight traffic, typically it might be 16 ton minerals and 4 wheel box vans, maybe the odd box van, and I've seen photos of steel carriers etc. During the Penmanshiel Tunnel collapse in 1979 there were many freights diverted this way from the ECML, but this sort of traffic tailed off after then with little through traffic.

Don't forget during WCML diversions van trains also got diverted via the S&C, so parcel vans could be needed too.

I am sure others will be able to add to my comments, but hope this is of some help.
Cheers
Paul

[willike1958]

Ahhh, the (blurred) memories. As a young secondman at Holbeck from 1989 to 1983 I regularly worked over the S&C from Leeds to Carlisle (and back) on passenger trains or as far as Blea Moor on freight.
What I recall is:
- Nottingham - Glasgow expresses – Usually hauled by class 45s or 46s composed of rakes of Mk1s sometimes including a full brake carrying plastic sacks of brewery yeast (how do I know? You could smell it and I once saw it)
- Healey Mills – Carlisle Kingmoor freight - Usually class 40s hauling semi-fitted mixed goods and long fully fitted coal trains  (16T wagons bauxite brown).
- Leeds - Blea Moor quarry ballast train (the smaller type wagons I think), hauled by class 25s or Class 40s.
- Class 47s tended to stand in for other types of traction on an ad hoc basis.
I don't remember ever seeing class 37s or class 20s on the S&C. Healey Mills drivers certainly weren't trained on 20s, Holbeck drivers certainly weren't trained on either class and I'd hazard a guess that it was the same for Skipton drivers, while Carlisle men I'm guessing didn't know class 37s.
Kevin

[davidinyork]

Thanks for the replies.

I see that Farish do 16T mineral wagons in bauxite. Would the slope-sided or straight sided ones be more appropriate, or did both appear? How many would normally have been in a rake? I sense I may have to compromise here or it'll get very expensive!

What wagon types would have been found in the mixed freight trains?

Thanks

[willike1958]

Hi David,
The fully-fitted coal trains were very long, from 40 to 60 wagons. Flat-sided 16T wagons were used without the top flap above the door. As fully fitted trains they ran without a brakevan with the guard sitting in the rear cab of the loco. The mixed goods were really pretty much made up of everything in either fitted bauxite or unfitted grey (no or very few private owner wagons) that was running at the time, mainly short wheelbase stuff. I have a book with a couple of photos that I'll scan and upload if not today then tomorrow.
Kevin

[Glen B]

I saw a '47-hauled nuclear flask train durinhttps://glenbatten.smugmug.com/Routes-1/Settle-and-Carlisle/i-9DBCQvJg a visit in 1981. Pic at

[Newportnobby]

Fascinating to hear what people recall from the S & C in  the 80s, although Kevin has me a bit worried owing to his time travelling tendencies...

Ahhh, the (blurred) memories. As a young secondman at Holbeck from 1989 to 1983

Thanks for the replies.

I see that Farish do 16T mineral wagons in bauxite. Would the slope-sided or straight sided ones be more appropriate, or did both appear? How many would normally have been in a rake? I sense I may have to compromise here or it'll get very expensive!

What wagon types would have been found in the mixed freight trains?

Thanks

David - you could maybe save money by purchasing the Peco kits for Butterley steel wagons (ref KNR44 - £3.50 at Hattons) and painting them yourself

[willike1958]

Well spotted newportnobby. That should read 1979 to 1983.