neat and tidy

Started by jonclox, March 14, 2014, 04:34:58 PM

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jonclox

Ive noticed that some members keep their baseboards and work areas spotless and pristine whilst modelling and others (like me) tend to work through the tools, materials and general junk to achieve the same ends.
I don't think either are right or wrong but how do others feel about things looking as they work through laying track, building and placing scenery and buildings etc.
My 1st ever boss took me to one side after I had been apprenticed for about a month and told me that a pristine tidy bench made it look as if I did nothing. I pointed out that I cleaned and tidied it each evening before going home. In the morning I would (in his words) '' and generally waste time getting my tools out again, laying the job I was on out ready to work on etc'' His theory was tidying/cleaning was non money making and customers wernt going to pay for that if he was fair with them.
Right through my working life from apprentice to self employed craftsman I took his advice and only tidied up at the end of each job even if that took a week or more but I always knew exactly where my tools were even in a mess.
Nowadays work on the layout follows exactly the same principal
John A GOM personified
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Never force things. Just use a bigger hammer
Electronically and spelling dyslexic 
Ruleoneshire
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=17646.0
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http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=29659.0

Newportnobby

I'm afraid I work on the Chaos Theory and constantly seek the tool/piece of track etc that I need in amongst all the debris :-[
However, neither way of working is necessarily correct for me as, as soon as I have put something down, I can't remember where it was anyway :doh:

scotsoft

Quote from: newportnobby on March 14, 2014, 05:00:17 PM
I'm afraid I work on the Chaos Theory and constantly seek the tool/piece of track etc that I need in amongst all the debris :-[
However, neither way of working is necessarily correct for me as, as soon as I have put something down, I can't remember where it was anyway :doh:

Ditto  :-[  :D

port perran

I work on the chaos principle.
In the middle of wiring point motors and street lights etc so using screwdrivers, wire strippers, wire, cable clips and ties, choc blox etc etc.
I work on one side of the layout for ages using the same tools and then suddenly can't find the screwdriver which mysteriously "moves itself" to the other side even though I haven't moved !!
Happens all the time !
I'm sure I'll get used to cream first soon.

ParkeNd

#4
The accepted way of everyone working in industry now from shop floor to offices is 5S.

Sort

Set

Shine

Standardise

Sustain


Without your working group scoring a minimum of 99% on this is in audits then your company loses its Quality Accreditations and you lose business - and then you go out of business - then you are on the dole.

I actually find it impossible to work any other way now even on my layout - you cant find tools, you can't find your workpiece, and you make mistakes.

Chaos is very 1990s.

port perran

Ah.......but I'm very definitely 1950S!!
I'm sure I'll get used to cream first soon.

ParkeNd

#6
Quote from: port perran on March 14, 2014, 07:50:58 PM
Ah.......but I'm very definitely 1950S!!

At 59 years old you still have a chance to be saved.

I bet there is nothing to beat the feeling in a job interview than not knowing what 5S stands for.

Pengi

Quote from: ParkeNd on March 14, 2014, 07:52:24 PM
Quote from: port perran on March 14, 2014, 07:50:58 PM
Ah.......but I'm very definitely 1950S!!

At 59 years old you still have a chance to be saved.

I bet there is nothing to beat the feeling in a job interview than not knowing what 5S stands for.

seiri, seiton, seiso, seiketsu, and shitsuke  :)
Just one Pendolino, give it to me, a beautiful train, from Italy

ParkeNd

Quote from: Pengi on March 14, 2014, 08:15:49 PM
Quote from: ParkeNd on March 14, 2014, 07:52:24 PM
Quote from: port perran on March 14, 2014, 07:50:58 PM
Ah.......but I'm very definitely 1950S!!

At 59 years old you still have a chance to be saved.

I bet there is nothing to beat the feeling in a job interview than not knowing what 5S stands for.

seiri, seiton, seiso, seiketsu, and shitsuke  :)

That's the way I can't remember. I know where it came from - but only know the English adaptation.

Pengi

Quote from: ParkeNd on March 14, 2014, 11:08:47 PM
Quote from: Pengi on March 14, 2014, 08:15:49 PM
Quote from: ParkeNd on March 14, 2014, 07:52:24 PM
Quote from: port perran on March 14, 2014, 07:50:58 PM
Ah.......but I'm very definitely 1950S!!

At 59 years old you still have a chance to be saved.

I bet there is nothing to beat the feeling in a job interview than not knowing what 5S stands for.

seiri, seiton, seiso, seiketsu, and shitsuke  :)

That's the way I can't remember. I know where it came from - but only know the English adaptation.
5S been around for some time though ;)
Just one Pendolino, give it to me, a beautiful train, from Italy

weave

Thought there were 6,

Started, Soldered, Swore, Savlon, Stopped and Sidra  :beers:

Pengi

Quote from: weave on March 15, 2014, 07:13:53 AM
Thought there were 6,

Started, Soldered, Swore, Savlon, Stopped and Sidra  :beers:
:laughabovepost:
Just one Pendolino, give it to me, a beautiful train, from Italy

ParkeNd

My choice to work on a modular basis was based on the same observations as Jonclox. I dreaded the prospect of moving beyond the pristine rails on the baseboard stage which is quick to reach, and entering what I could see as months and months of really nastily stained ballast, brown daubed and crumbling polystyrene with chips and shavings everywhere, jagged rail hanging in mid air, tins and jars standing on the rails, etc etc.

Under those conditions how often does a model railway emerge as opposed to a declaration of starting all over again.

Is there a day when all the rubbish disappears and there stands a model railway?  I didn't think I could pull off the magic trick.

oscar

#13
Quote5S been around for some time though ;)

Can't be that long; first I've ever heard of it.

jonclox

#14
Quote from: ParkeNd on March 15, 2014, 08:13:04 AM
I dreaded the prospect of moving beyond the pristine rails on the baseboard stage which is quick to reach, and entering what I could see as months and months of really nastily stained ballast, brown daubed and crumbling polystyrene
Dosnt it partly depend on whether the idea is to build a diorama with a train in it.......... or building a railway layout with scenery to compliment the railway ?
I know I am building a model  railway and will be including scenery once I am satisfied with the track and running. For now the scenery and landscaping is a grey area and will utilise many of the structures that I have from my previous layout+ ideas that I have yet to formulate.
John A GOM personified
N Gauge can seriously damage your wealth.
Never force things. Just use a bigger hammer
Electronically and spelling dyslexic 
Ruleoneshire
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=17646.0
Re: Grainge & Hodder baseboards
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=29659.0

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