Spot the Difference BR Mk1 SK 374-061 A, B & C

Tom@Crewe · August 19, 2013, 08:15:40 PM

What is the difference between the coaches Graham Farish 374-061 A, B and C

Its seems obvious that C is Weathered but what is not obvious??

EtchedPixels · August 19, 2013, 08:24:02 PM

Different numbers I believe

Ollie3440 · August 19, 2013, 08:52:23 PM

Quote from: EtchedPixels on August 19, 2013, 08:24:02 PM
Different numbers I believe

Correct:
374-061 M24911
374-061A W24165
374-061B M24679
374-061C

I would put guess that the new version will have an Eastern Region running number as this has not been done as a standard release. Having said that they did produce E24538 with the Digital Commuter Set, so maybe this one will be a Scottish running number? (As per the current OO version)

Ollie

Tom@Crewe · August 19, 2013, 09:00:46 PM

So the M's are midlands

EtchedPixels · August 19, 2013, 09:09:29 PM

E Eastern
M Midland
S Southern
Sc Scottish
W Western

For a while there was a 'GE' code used but I don't think it ever got onto Mark 1 stock ?

The format is

[region][number][optional region]

If the optional region is present it means the vehicle must be returned to that region for heavy repairs. The only "Mark 1" coaches to have the trailing code were the car carriers.

Lots of older coaches had the trailing code so you would see things like "E88063E" or "Sc88063E" on ex LNER (or pre Mark 1 BR(E) stock)

Tom@Crewe · August 20, 2013, 06:42:45 AM

Does anyone make replacment numbers so codes can be changed.

NeMo · August 20, 2013, 08:06:47 AM

I'm sure there are lots of others, but I like Railtec transfers (the link should take you straight to the 2mm coaching stock selection if I've done this right).

Alternatively, aggressively weather than bit of the coach so the letter doesn't show, or else model an interregional train!

Cheers, NeMo

PS. It looks like you need "1960s/70s TOPS codes / parcel numbers / etc" for redoing coach numbers; in 4 mm scale they have a whole sheet of just coach numbers, but seemingly not for 2 mm scale.

Quote from: Tom@Crewe on August 20, 2013, 06:42:45 AM
Does anyone make replacment numbers so codes can be changed.

EtchedPixels · August 20, 2013, 10:41:45 AM

Quote from: Tom@Crewe on August 20, 2013, 06:42:45 AM
Does anyone make replacment numbers so codes can be changed.

Fox transfers have various number sets for coaches available: F2212/1E, F2212/M etc

johnlambert · August 21, 2013, 07:29:33 PM

I wish it were easier to tell what the running numbers are for the Graham Farish Mk1 coaches. When buying online it is hard to be certain whether the coach will be the right region (which is why I've not bought any new coaches online, I like to see what I'm getting). You can't necessarily rely on the photo, who's to say whether the retailer photographs the actual item or just uses the same picture of a maroon coach.

I know it doesn't really matter, you can't tell at normal viewing distances, but I do like to know that the numbers are correct. I think I'm right that all regions had maroon Mk1 coaches and from what I've seen on the Western region maroon was more common than chocolate and cream.

Dapol puts the number on the box label and as part of the description, it would be nice if Farish were to do the same.

EtchedPixels · August 21, 2013, 08:28:22 PM

The Southern was big on green but while BR(W) was allowed to repaint some of the coaches chocolate and cream it was only done for a few sets for the named trains and not that common.

dodger · August 22, 2013, 07:52:28 AM

Quote from: EtchedPixels on August 19, 2013, 09:09:29 PM

For a while there was a 'GE' code used but I don't think it ever got onto Mark 1 stock ?

If the optional region is present it means the vehicle must be returned to that region for heavy repairs. The only "Mark 1" coaches to have the trailing code were the car carriers.

A number of Mk1's were branded GE but not sure how many.

The suffix letter was only used on pre-nationalisation designs. The car-carriers and the southern's fibre glass coach were included as they were not to a standard design.

A number of WR Chocolate/cream coaches ended up in maroon rakes.

dodger

EtchedPixels · August 22, 2013, 11:32:22 AM

Quote from: dodger on August 22, 2013, 07:52:28 AM
The suffix letter was only used on pre-nationalisation designs. The car-carriers and the southern's fibre glass coach were included as they were not to a standard design.

The car carriers were not however pre-nationalisation designs but a weird little corner case.

The other weirdness was the Isle of Wight. Pre nationalisation Isle of Wight stock (ie almost all of it....) never had a trailing S. I guess someone would figure out it needed maintaining locally the moment they tried to find the rail route to Eastleigh