my 10 year old cheap cordless drill works fine--but the battery dont. An hours charge lasts about a minute. I cant find a new battery.

So i splashed out on a new one. It came with 2 chargeable batteries--and a charger. Plus drill bits and a snake thing to go round corners.All in a plastic case.

It was £18.99 inc free postage on ebay.

So whats all this got to do with N gauge ?

I suppose someone will state the obvious that " they" make millions of these cheap drills so that brings the price down--to a few pennies--allowing the multitude of online del boys to make a nice living. So why cant the N gauge manufacturers learn from this?

No doubt the site headmaster will enlighten me.

The tone of your post even makes this sound like bait. 

How many £19 drills do you think they sell globally?

How many models of whatever your preferred thing is do you think they sell?

Some reading for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale

Obviously Farish could make 1,000,000 units. They'd be cheap. The market would be totally saturated. They'd go out of business. Win.

Quote from: njee20 on Yesterday at 10:07:53 PMThe tone of your post even makes this sound like bait. 

How many £19 drills do you think they sell globally?

How many models of whatever your preferred thing is do you think they sell?

Some reading for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale

Obviously Farish could make 1,000,000 units. They'd be cheap. The market would be totally saturated. They'd go out of business. Win.

so why do some manufacturers deliberately make short runs ?

Manufacturers don't openly publicise the size of their runs (except for limited editions), in the case of those limited editions the clue is in the name, they're limited, that keeps demand high.

Stock sitting on shelves costs money, so manufacturers don't want to end up with lots left over, and/or having to discount. That alone becomes a vicious cycle because people will just think "oh, I'm not paying full price, these will be discounted in 6 months time"; this was a common issue with Heljan models in OO.

The market being small, and fickle, makes it virtually impossible for manufacturers to second guess what will really be popular. Obviously they choose models they think will sell well, but we've seen plenty of models (Dapol 59 is the screamingly obvious example right now) where they just misjudged/mistimed the market. That's bad for everyone in the long term, and even in the short term in that instance it's only good if you want a 59 with inaccurate colours and incorrect lighting for £75, even then Rails still have 40+ of some models.

Quote from: Bigmac on Yesterday at 09:44:06 PMI suppose someone will state the obvious that " they" make millions of these cheap drills so that brings the price down--to a few pennies--allowing the multitude of online del boys to make a nice living. So why cant the N gauge manufacturers learn from this?

No doubt the site headmaster will enlighten me.

You've answered your own question in the first paragraph above.

The list of classes of loco not yet produced is getting smaller along with the size of those classes. The chances of getting 'one offs' such as 'Lion', 'Kestrel' etc are virtually nil.

And while we are pondering market sizes and economics, there is the eternal question of why does a pint of beer cost twice as much in a London pub as in my local Wetherspoons in the Midlands. Should be a great opportunity for opening a pub in London @Bigmac and selling beer imported from the Midlands.

Quote from: Bigmac on Yesterday at 10:26:01 PM

Quote from: njee20 on Yesterday at 10:07:53 PMThe tone of your post even makes this sound like bait. 

How many £19 drills do you think they sell globally?

How many models of whatever your preferred thing is do you think they sell?

Some reading for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale

Obviously Farish could make 1,000,000 units. They'd be cheap. The market would be totally saturated. They'd go out of business. Win.

so why do some manufacturers deliberately make short runs ?

The simple answer to that is that they don't just for the sake of doing so, it is driven by commercial considerations.

Before even starting the process of making a model they will consider the likely market size for it, and if that projected demand does not meet or exceed the minimum order quantity required by their factory then chances are it won't proceed.

If it does meet a MOQ level the next question is to determine how many models of each livery and in total should be made. The greater the number made the lower the unit cost is likely to be, but that is only beneficial if they can all be sold. As @njee20 has said, it is no use making a huge volume in order to get the unit cost down if 3/4 of them stay on the shelf tying up valuable working capital, that is a sure fire route to financial disaster.

So a manufacturer has to try and walk a tightrope between producing enough to meet the factory's MOQ and expected demand while not massively oversupplying the market, and the N market is not huge so typically the volume of any given N product made will in comparison to your cordless drill be miniscule.

Typically manufacturers do not reveal numbers, but by way of an example it is fairly well known that Graham Farish models have been made in batches of 1008 per livery variant (these days often split into two running numbers) so if there are four liveries produced that's a shade over 4,000 in total.


Roy

I wonder how many of these have been made over the past half century?

Mike

Quote from: maridunian on Today at 10:12:40 AMI wonder how many of these have been made over the past half century?

Mike

Indeed even longer than half a century I think, the wagon was, if memory serves introduced in the early 70s so that tooling has well and truly paid for itself!