Quote from: Jollybob on July 06, 2025, 12:39:12 AMThe Peco SL-427 is okay if you are just using it to show and not use. A 10' wagon is a tiny bit too big, it just catches the flanges on the wheels. A missed opportunity by Peco in my opinion.
Someone at some point was making 3d designed wagon turntables of various lengths but I couldn't say if they are still around.
Faller made a wagon turntable, it is quite large for British standards. It comes with a servo I believe, so not cheap either.

Rob.

That actually makes them correct for a lot of wagon turntables in the UK. It's one of the reasons the clayhoods were so short right until the end and the BR builds never ended up on modern chassis lengths.

Quote from: PLD on July 06, 2025, 01:43:47 PMLocos were usually not permitted to cross the turntable. Moving the wagons on and off the table and also turning them was usually by rope/chain and capstans as demonstrated. In larger yards there may be some steam powered capstans to provide the power, otherwise it may be the rope attached to a loco on another track, or in the most basic cases horse-power (later mechanical horse/tractor)

I have learned something. 

Quote from: PLD on July 06, 2025, 01:43:47 PMThis image shows a very typical British standard gauge example.

https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwr/curzonstreet/lnwrcs2109.jpg
https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwrcs2109.htm

The van on the table is a standard LMS 10ft wheelbase and as can be seen just fits.
Locos were usually not permitted to cross the turntable. Moving the wagons on and off the table and also turning them was usually by rope/chain and capstans as demonstrated. In larger yards there may be some steam powered capstans to provide the power, otherwise it may be the rope attached to a loco on another track, or in the most basic cases horse-power (later mechanical horse/tractor)

Remember though rule one applys. 

Quote from: Jollybob on July 06, 2025, 03:45:08 PM

Quote from: PLD on July 06, 2025, 01:43:47 PMThis image shows a very typical British standard gauge example.

https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwr/curzonstreet/lnwrcs2109.jpg
https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwrcs2109.htm

The van on the table is a standard LMS 10ft wheelbase and as can be seen just fits.
Locos were usually not permitted to cross the turntable. Moving the wagons on and off the table and also turning them was usually by rope/chain and capstans as demonstrated. In larger yards there may be some steam powered capstans to provide the power, otherwise it may be the rope attached to a loco on another track, or in the most basic cases horse-power (later mechanical horse/tractor)

Remember though rule one applys. 

ha ha--love it !
What is that loco ?

Thanks all, great comments and info and photo's which I will investigate

Roy

or horses!

Quote from: PLD on July 06, 2025, 01:43:47 PMIn larger yards there may be some steam powered capstans to provide the power, otherwise it may be the rope attached to a loco on another track, or in the most basic cases horse-power (later mechanical horse/tractor)

Quote from: PhilD on July 06, 2025, 11:50:31 PMor horses!

Quote from: Bigmac on July 06, 2025, 08:11:50 PM

Quote from: Jollybob on July 06, 2025, 03:45:08 PM

ha ha--love it !
What is that loco ?

0-4-0 Saddle tank Peckett loco No.1893 at the Great Western Museum in Coleford. Built in 1936 it worked at Iron Bridge Power Station as one of three identical locos. The GWR livery is a preservation "Might have been" - the locos did have running rights on the GWR for shunting. All three have survived into preservation, although 1893 is the only one of the three that is still in running order.

Quote from: PLD on July 07, 2025, 12:17:35 AM

Quote from: PLD on July 06, 2025, 01:43:47 PMIn larger yards there may be some steam powered capstans to provide the power, otherwise it may be the rope attached to a loco on another track, or in the most basic cases horse-power (later mechanical horse/tractor)

Quote from: PhilD on July 06, 2025, 11:50:31 PMor horses!

Sorry, should have explained. In the olden days, horses were used to pull the wagons, in and out of the buildings and along the feeder and storage sidings, using ropes and capstans to redirect the direction of pull.

Ok, just wondering about the OP post.... solution achieved?

A bit    yet again;

One place where the loco did regularly shunt across  wagon turntables was the Midland Railway depot in West India docks, London.

However, the loco permitted to do so was specially constructed; Midland # 1550, but B.E.L.No.1 in BR days. It was a battery electric 0-4-0 shunter, with a diminutive centre cab and two 'bonnets', one either side of the cab.

Martyn

Quote from: Steven B on July 07, 2025, 09:00:41 AM

Quote from: Bigmac on July 06, 2025, 08:11:50 PM

Quote from: Jollybob on July 06, 2025, 03:45:08 PM

ha ha--love it !
What is that loco ?

0-4-0 Saddle tank Peckett loco No.1893 at the Great Western Museum in Coleford. Built in 1936 it worked at Iron Bridge Power Station as one of three identical locos. The GWR livery is a preservation "Might have been" - the locos did have running rights on the GWR for shunting. All three have survived into preservation, although 1893 is the only one of the three that is still in running order.

thanks for that info--off topic or otherwise.

Quote from: PhilD on July 07, 2025, 09:23:10 AM

Quote from: PLD on July 07, 2025, 12:17:35 AM

Quote from: PLD on July 06, 2025, 01:43:47 PMIn larger yards there may be some steam powered capstans to provide the power, otherwise it may be the rope attached to a loco on another track, or in the most basic cases horse-power (later mechanical horse/tractor)

Quote from: PhilD on July 06, 2025, 11:50:31 PMor horses!

Sorry, should have explained. In the olden days, horses were used to pull the wagons, in and out of the buildings and along the feeder and storage sidings, using ropes and capstans to redirect the direction of pull.

Talking of horses pulling wagons.
Here's my long gone Trepol Bay layout with a horse pulling a fish wagon past the local harbour side wagon workshop complete with its own wagon turntable.

Quote from: Newportnobby on July 06, 2025, 11:53:25 AM

Quote from: Kris on July 06, 2025, 10:01:48 AMScratch building one from a milk bottle top would give you something about the correct size going a bit smaller might be better however so possibly even a coke bottle top.

Wheel rim to wheel rim of an average 4 wheel wagon is 30mm, so the suggestions above seem on the small size to me

A milk bottle top is just under 40mm, a coke bottle top is about 28mm. This would mean that a coke bottle would give an approximate size of 14ft and the milk bottle top about 19-20ft.

Wagon turntables would not have been built larger than they were needed. The smaller sizes do mean that shunting a wagon on with a loco would have been harder but as many of these would have been hand or horse shunted maybe less of a problem in real life.

Shunting horse in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ9DrerydpM
(shunting horseboxes!).

Note that it's connected to the vehicles via a single chain and walks outside of the four-foot (i.e. not in-between the rails). This was if it stumbles it's less likely to get run over by the wagons being shunted.