Hi all, not posted in ages - long story, short - layout on hold because we're moving later this year.

Still accumulating like crazy.

Anyway, can anyone tell me what wagons these are? Hoppers, yes but... ?

Image taken from late 80's peak district mining.



They are similar to but not the same as these - https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/magento/catalog/product/view/id/83588/s/gaugemaster-gm2410201

To my eye, they look like the LMS I.C.I. bogie hoppers...

https://www.google.com/search?q=lms+ici+hoppers&client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&prmd=isnv&sxsrf=ALiCzsaHGmMFytD7t_bkaFyG_FrC9W31Mg:1652015490980&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjH_4Kk_c_3AhXOTcAKHbGCB24Q_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=360&bih=622&dpr=3#imgrc=hHlql76CZ602wM

Quote from: emjaybee on May 08, 2022, 02:13:12 PM
To my eye, they look like the LMS I.C.I. bogie hoppers...

I think you nailed it!

Let me guess, not available in N Gauge?

I just searched and only found a DIY version on Shapeways (not sure about the quality of those).

Good shout some history7 here
     
           https://www.derbysulzers.com/5274.html]https://www.derbysulzers.com/5274.html[/url]     8            I ve not seen any either . Unsure of the quality but https://www.shapeways.com/product/QHEJ3RD2R/ici-hopper-2mm            willing to be corrected

The Shapeways print doesn't look particularly good. I've lost track of their materials, but that one looks to have some fairly defined layer lines, and I presume it's the "Smoothest" variant.

Hi

Ian Stoate did a resin model years ago which was quite reasonable but unfortunately no longer available.

Cheers

Paul

TOPS code PHV.

They were one of the last revenue earning, vacuum braked, wagons on the network (and probably one of the oldest).

They're on my wish list. I've got my fingers crossed that Revolution Trains do them at some point, otherwise it's a big scratch build job!

Steven B

I have a feeling that there was some muttering in the NGS committee about them being the next Society RTR wagon. Then they went for the rather disappointing, in my eyes, others obviously disagree, ferry wagon.

Quote from: njee20 on May 08, 2022, 02:44:32 PM
The Shapeways print doesn't look particularly good. I've lost track of their materials, but that one looks to have some fairly defined layer lines, and I presume it's the "Smoothest" variant.

I thought the same, very defined print markings.

I'm going to order the 'super fine' version just to see - I fear it won't be up to the mark though.

Quote from: Steven B on May 08, 2022, 06:33:56 PM
TOPS code PHV.

They were one of the last revenue earning, vacuum braked, wagons on the network (and probably one of the oldest).

They're on my wish list. I've got my fingers crossed that Revolution Trains do them at some point, otherwise it's a big scratch build job!

I've got enough to do without scratch building the bloody things! 

Quote from: emjaybee on May 08, 2022, 07:14:23 PM
I have a feeling that there was some muttering in the NGS committee about them being the next Society RTR wagon. Then they went for the rather disappointing, in my eyes, others obviously disagree, ferry wagon.

Good to hear it's at least on their radar, so fingers crossed they do a version.

Quote from: Ted on May 09, 2022, 10:56:46 AM

Quote from: Steven B on May 08, 2022, 06:33:56 PM
TOPS code PHV.

They were one of the last revenue earning, vacuum braked, wagons on the network (and probably one of the oldest).

They're on my wish list. I've got my fingers crossed that Revolution Trains do them at some point, otherwise it's a big scratch build job!

I've got enough to do without scratch building the bloody things! 

Quote from: emjaybee on May 08, 2022, 07:14:23 PM
I have a feeling that there was some muttering in the NGS committee about them being the next Society RTR wagon. Then they went for the rather disappointing, in my eyes, others obviously disagree, ferry wagon.

Good to hear it's at least on their radar, so fingers crossed they do a version.

I suspect it'll be a loooooong way down the road if at all.

Bear in mind the NGS is not a commercial entity, any rolling stock they decide to produce has to have a broad appeal to members, and pass muster with the committee.

Personally, I'd love to have 8 or so myself. If there was enough of a case for them, it's possible that someone like RevolutioN could be persuaded to look at them, but that would mean they would need to be commercially viable. They were in service for 60+ years, but only in a limited area.

The other option is to find someone to do 3D prints, but there's donkey work to do in the 3D CAD, and multiple test prints before anything would be deemed acceptable.

Your last option is to scratch build them. To my eye, there's lots of straight lines and flat surfaces, and it may well be that there is a similar/suitable rtr chassis available under some other vehicle.

I'm after the John Summers iron ore wagons, which are very similar. This page is informative: https://paul3715.tripod.com/hopper.htm

But still based in the North West, so limited appeal, presumably.

I think the ICI hoppers would make an attractive model, but I can confirm that at the moment they aren't on our radar.

I'm hopeful members will like the next few models we announce, they are certainly interesting subjects!

ATB,

Richard (NGS PDO)

Quote from: montyburns1982 on May 09, 2022, 06:24:08 PM
I think the ICI hoppers would make an attractive model, but I can confirm that at the moment they aren't on our radar.

I'm hopeful members will like the next few models we announce, they are certainly interesting subjects!

ATB,

Richard (NGS PDO)

Forgive me Richard, were they considered at one time or did I imagine it?

Hi there I vaguely remember there being some discussion but before my time I'm afraid.

I'm pretty sure you'll see these hoppers at some point from a manufacturer, the pools of wagons in particular continues to shrink.