Help! I've blown up my printer.

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Adam1701D

Electra Rail is currently suspended following a slight mishap with the vinyl printer.

After doing a heavy head clean, I re-inserted the power cable, forgetting the printer switch was still on. Cue big bang, tripped power and lots of swearing.

I've changed the fuse in the mains plug but this has not worked - the machine is as dead as the proverbial dodo. Not a sign of power anywhere.

Luckily it is designed to be opened easily, so I have had a look inside. There are two small fuses on the power distribution board that look like candidates for swapping out.

EDIT: A quick google slows these F6 fuses as readily available - set ordered for delivery tomorrow!





Best Regards,
Adam Warr
Peterborough, UK

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Bealman

No other signs of smoke inside? If not, you have probably escaped!  :thumbsup:
Vision over visibility. Bono, U2.

Fardap

Quote from: captainelectra on April 20, 2021, 09:12:32 AM
Electra Rail is currently suspended following a slight mishap with the vinyl printer.

After doing a heavy head clean, I re-inserted the power cable, forgetting the printer switch was still on. Cue big bang, tripped power and lots of swearing.

I've changed the fuse in the mains plug but this has not worked - the machine is as dead as the proverbial dodo. Not a sign of power anywhere.

Luckily it is designed to be opened easily, so I have had a look inside. There are two small fuses on the power distribution board that look like candidates for swapping out.

EDIT: A quick google slows these F6 fuses as readily available - set ordered for delivery tomorrow!





Visually they seem to be okay - seems to be a fine wire down the middle but not 100% - do you have a multimeter/continuity tester? Just pop them out and check if they are open or short (should be short) to confirm if they are blown.

Also I assume there is not a fuse adjacent to the mains socket connection - sometimes they have a screw in fuse there as well.

Good luck.

Malc

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I agree with @Fardap . Those fuses look OK. I have seen fuses as part of the IEC mains socket, if not, you may have popped a capacitor in the switched mode power supply. This is likely if you heard a loud bang.
The years have been good to me, it was the weekends that did the damage.

Bealman

I'm thinking of other components, like capacitors in the power supply. Are they black, or burst tops? Any brown resistors?

If it's all clean, then hopefully it's just the fuses.  :thumbsup:
Vision over visibility. Bono, U2.

PaulCheffus

Quote from: Fardap on April 20, 2021, 10:36:12 AM
Quote from: captainelectra on April 20, 2021, 09:12:32 AM
Electra Rail is currently suspended following a slight mishap with the vinyl printer.

After doing a heavy head clean, I re-inserted the power cable, forgetting the printer switch was still on. Cue big bang, tripped power and lots of swearing.

I've changed the fuse in the mains plug but this has not worked - the machine is as dead as the proverbial dodo. Not a sign of power anywhere.

Luckily it is designed to be opened easily, so I have had a look inside. There are two small fuses on the power distribution board that look like candidates for swapping out.

EDIT: A quick google slows these F6 fuses as readily available - set ordered for delivery tomorrow!





Visually they seem to be okay - seems to be a fine wire down the middle but not 100% - do you have a multimeter/continuity tester? Just pop them out and check if they are open or short (should be short) to confirm if they are blown.

Also I assume there is not a fuse adjacent to the mains socket connection - sometimes they have a screw in fuse there as well.

Good luck.

Hi

Surely open if blown. If you get a short then the fuse is intact.

Cheers

Paul
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zwilnik

Quote from: Bealman on April 20, 2021, 10:42:46 AM
I'm thinking of other components, like capacitors in the power supply. Are they black, or burst tops? Any brown resistors?

If it's all clean, then hopefully it's just the fuses.  :thumbsup:
Given the loud bang, this sounds likely to me too. Blown capacitors have a very unique smell that you'd notice right away.

Fardap

Quote from: PaulCheffus on April 20, 2021, 11:06:05 AM
Quote from: Fardap on April 20, 2021, 10:36:12 AM
Quote from: captainelectra on April 20, 2021, 09:12:32 AM
Electra Rail is currently suspended following a slight mishap with the vinyl printer.

After doing a heavy head clean, I re-inserted the power cable, forgetting the printer switch was still on. Cue big bang, tripped power and lots of swearing.

I've changed the fuse in the mains plug but this has not worked - the machine is as dead as the proverbial dodo. Not a sign of power anywhere.

Luckily it is designed to be opened easily, so I have had a look inside. There are two small fuses on the power distribution board that look like candidates for swapping out.

EDIT: A quick google slows these F6 fuses as readily available - set ordered for delivery tomorrow!





Visually they seem to be okay - seems to be a fine wire down the middle but not 100% - do you have a multimeter/continuity tester? Just pop them out and check if they are open or short (should be short) to confirm if they are blown.

Also I assume there is not a fuse adjacent to the mains socket connection - sometimes they have a screw in fuse there as well.

Good luck.

Hi

Surely open if blown. If you get a short then the fuse is intact.

Cheers

Paul

Correct which is what I said? (Should be short) [if good] :-)

PaulCheffus

Quote from: Fardap on April 20, 2021, 12:43:23 PM
Correct which is what I said? (Should be short) [if good] :-)

Hi

Ah I misread your comment

Cheers

Paul
Procrastination - The Thief of Time.

Workbench thread
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=54708.msg724969#msg724969

Fardap

Quote from: captainelectra on April 20, 2021, 09:12:32 AM

I've changed the fuse in the mains plug but this has not worked - the machine is as dead as the proverbial dodo. Not a sign of power anywhere.

Any news on this - fingers crossed...

One thought not sure of the setup but have you tried something else in that mains socket outlet the printer was plugged into - just to be sure it is providing power?

Adam1701D

I've plugged into a different socket but still no joy.

Had a support call from Roland yesterday advising the issue is likely to be in the man power board, so have a direction to start looking. Looks like I may need a replacement module which may set me back a a couple of hundred.
Best Regards,
Adam Warr
Peterborough, UK

Adam1701D

Good news! After extensive technical support, testing of the main power boards, the printer is now working again.

Solution? I found another kettle lead power cable in the garage and thought that there would be no harm in giving it a try. By George, it worked!

Test print done and all looks good. What a relief!



Best Regards,
Adam Warr
Peterborough, UK

ntpntpntp

I thought the plug fuse on the kettle lead was one of the first things you checked?
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zwilnik

Quote from: ntpntpntp on April 24, 2021, 09:48:07 PM
I thought the plug fuse on the kettle lead was one of the first things you checked?

He did say he changed the fuse, but Murphy's law states that the first spare fuse you replace a blown one with will always be faulty.

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