Ive managed to acquire a few models of BR Mk1 Pullman 1st & 2nd Parlours and Kitchen Cars in Umber & Cream, but can't find a Pullman Brake to go with them.

It would appear from my surfing  Google that there wasn't one, in which case what sort of Brake would have been used, would  it have been a standard Mk1 or maybe one inherited from one of the big 4?

Any advice or pointers would be greatly appreciated.

Ray

This site: http://www.emgauge70s.co.uk/proto_pullman.html lists a formation containg a Mk1 BG .

Thanks @railsquid a very interesting site, will have a good look at it later.

Ray

This has been discussed before at some length on the Forum-try the search facility to find it.

Generally, it was accepted to use the 'Poole' Farish Pullman brake.

Martyn

see:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=41174.0
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=36333.0

In short, there never was a Prototype Brake vehicle of that type. Either an older Pullman Brake or a Mk1 vehicle (BFK or a BG) was used. This could be Marooon or a 'borrowed' Western region Brown/cream liveried coach.

Farish did a Colectors Club special of a MK1 BFK in Pullman livery, which some use. That is an accurate model of a one-off Preservation era fake. (then got slated by the uneducated for not producing more than one!) 

The Farish ones pop up on EvilBay regularly, but often go for stupid money, £80 to £100 is not uncommon.

NGM

BR never produced a Mk 1 Pullman Brake, initially using K-type Brake Seconds. The weren't enough of those, so I believe that they converted some K-type Parlour Seconds to make up the numbers. I have been lobbying for someone to come up with K-types, notably NGS, Revolution and Simon Dawson at Rue d'Etropal. No luck yet, but a few more voices could help....

Another option for you is a Mk1 BG in western region chocolate and cream livery. 2 of these were actually hijacked by the SR to run with their pullman trains, much to the WR's annoyance. Control at Paddington was apparently very annoyed to receive a pair of tatty Maroon Mk1 BGs instead of their chocolate and cream ones. The SR was careful to keep them off WR metals for several years.





Also it was not uncommon to see the Bournemouth Belle topped and tailed by maroon or green brakes.

Very interesting snippets of information. Thanks for posting! 

I run my rake of umber & cream Mk 1 Pullman cars with a maroon Mk 1 BG at one end and a maroon Thompson BG at the other. No idea whether this is prototypical but it looks good to me. (Rule 1 always comes in handy in these situations.)
PW

Thanks for that @Karhedron I just like the idea of SR pinching a couple of brakes, I shall model that approach.

Ray

Quote from: PennineWagons on February 20, 2021, 12:31:18 AM
I run my rake of umber & cream Mk 1 Pullman cars with a maroon Mk 1 BG at one end and a maroon Thompson BG at the other. No idea whether this is prototypical but it looks good to me. (Rule 1 always comes in handy in these situations.)
PW

Can't help with the umber'n'cream, but here's a maroon Mk 1 BG: https://flic.kr/p/hxdxXV

Like karhedron 's photos but those wishing to model the belmond pullman repainted mk2d is used https://www.dawlishbeach.com/2019/05/belmond-british-pullman-2/    A current list of pullman charter coaches can be found here http://www.railtourinfo.co.uk/coach.html             Good I may pinch a mk 1 in maroon too when I model a charter train

Quote from: Stuart Down Under on February 15, 2021, 10:33:42 PM
BR never produced a Mk 1 Pullman Brake, initially using K-type Brake Seconds. The weren't enough of those, so I believe that they converted some K-type Parlour Seconds to make up the numbers. I have been lobbying for someone to come up with K-types, notably NGS, Revolution and Simon Dawson at Rue d'Etropal. No luck yet, but a few more voices could help....

I've mentioned the K-type to Bachmann on a few occasions; you never know, they might just be round the corner--such is their new 'announcement' system which doesn't give much time for financial planning!

Another possibility for the preservation era is the Bluebell Railway's Stove-R which they painted in Pullman livery to run with their preserved pullman coaches.



The N Gauge society have produced this in N-gauge. Not historically accurate but looks nice for either the Preservation era or just Rule 1 running.