The tender in the BHE B12 and Claud is the same one.

It is quite possible to use a UM tender drive instead. But as been said, watch your overall costs or you might as well just get a UM RTR loco instead!

The UM  tender drive, as I've posted before, is over scale for both Clauds and B12, but the BHE kits are also over scale, I think, to fit the RTR chassis available at the time.

The BHE tender is closer to scale than the UM one.

Martyn

Quote from: Bob G on February 09, 2021, 02:27:02 PM
...and you must not spend more than £40 on its revamp or you could have bought a brand new Union Mills loco fully decorated and with a decent tender drive too.

Yes, but where's the fun in that?   

Quote from: Jim Easterbrook on February 09, 2021, 06:38:56 PM

Quote from: Bob G on February 09, 2021, 02:27:02 PM
...and you must not spend more than £40 on its revamp or you could have bought a brand new Union Mills loco fully decorated and with a decent tender drive too.

Point of order, m'lud. That is not strictly true.

I've just checked and the Union Mills model is the D16/3 with the round-top firebox. The model that @Dalteth has bought is the D15 with the Belpaire firebox, so he can spend as much as he likes - he will still end up with a different prototype! 

You're welcome!

Cheers,

Chris

@Papyrus

Its not as easy as that, Chris.........

Another point of order; the BHE model is, technically, I think, a hybrid.

At least some D15/2 had the valancing removed, but not in the style depicted in the kit; it was still the original valance with bits removed, and not straight between the coupled wheels.

D16 and D16/2 also had large diameter Belpaire boilers (the 'Super Clauds') but retained the decorative valancing. D15 had smaller diameter Belpaire boilers. D16 also had differences in smokebox lengths.

D16/3 were round topped, but depending upon which sub-class they were rebuilt form, they may or not retain the valancing.

I haven't yet found a photo of a Belpaire boiler with no valances, as per the kit.

The history of the 'Clauds' (no 'E' in Claud Hamilton) is very complicated, and I think I've got it right.

Martyn

Quote from: martyn on February 10, 2021, 09:17:53 AM

The history of the 'Clauds' (no 'E' in Claud Hamilton) is very complicated

Martyn

You ain't kidding, @martyn ! Even the lner.info website is confusing.

Hugh Longworth's 'British Railway Steam Locomotives 1948-1968' provides about the best summary. According to him, 62507 was the only D15 which had the valancing over the coupling rods removed. I found this picture of it:



which shows that the shape of the remaining valancing is different from the kit. It may be possible to do a bit of judicious alteration if one feels so inclined.

Cheers,

Chris

@Papyrus ;

Yes, they are confusing.........nearly as bad as the J67/J69s.........

Your photo illustrates what I meant when the framing removed was not the same as the D16/3s. Its also not what is modelled in the kit. The RCTS history also says that 8885 was also altered in 1931, but this loco was again rebuilt to D16/3 in 1937. Loco 8896/62507 retained the altered valancing until withdrawn in 1952.

And don't forget the D16/3s had at least two variants, without the valancing missing and new footplate or not; some were rebuilt with piston valves which meant a new style reversing lever.

My information is edited and re-written from the RCTS History of LNER locos, vol. 3C.

Martyn

... and don't even start on the tenders!

Cheers,

Chris

I purposely avoided the tenders..........and the D14s.......

Martyn

Now I'm worried!! 

Going to have to be very specific about choosing a loco to model it after fairly early on...

@Dalteth

Have fun!

I cannot be 100% sure, but I still think the kit is a hybrid, with footplate as per many D16/3 but Belpaire firebox and long smokebox of the Super Clauds, D16/2.

I still haven't found a photo of Belpaire firebox loco with the raised running plate.

I don't know, but suspect the two versions of the  kit have a common footplate but are available with two firebox options.

As an aside, though called 'Gresley Rebuilds', the D16/3 rebuild was actually designed by Thompson and his Stratford Office staff.

martyn

I've just been to my bitsa box and found an almost complete 'Claud' kit, and half of another.........intended to become a J17 or something, I think.

@Dalteth @Papyrus

A cut away (!) view of the tender pick-up;




Hope this is clear enough. A second thin wire was added the other side of the paxolin to make the pick-up for the other rear wheel.

Note that it also shows the two sets of holes for the axles; I'm pretty sure =you need to use the top ones, but in any case, not the set that corresponds to the actual axleboxes.

martyn

There is another one on EBay in case you want a bigger fleet

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Boxed-B-H-Enterprises-class-D16-3-rebuilt-Claude-Hamilton-tank-loco-body-kit/193882564501?hash=item2d244d2795:g:R9gAAOSwDQVgH8~x

Bob

The seller has a number of other Langley kits for sale, but not greatly reduced from Langley's own prices.

Cheers,

Chris

Quote from: Papyrus on February 11, 2021, 03:12:47 PM
The seller has a number of other Langley kits for sale, but not greatly reduced from Langley's own prices.

Cheers,

Chris

Its a BHE Kit, and Ray is currently indisposed and has all our best wishes to get well again soon.
Bob

@east anglian /Derek has sent me a photo of his Claud for posting, as he is still finding it difficult to post himself.

Here at is......



Martyn