Hi all

I have quite a few of the Peco NR-44BW Coal Butterley Steel type wagons, anyone know what years these were actually in use by British Rail.

Thanks

NGM

I have no idea where the original information came from, nor its accuracy, but I have seen it stated more than once that this model was based on a on-off demonstrator.

Sorry to have been of limited help, and it could be wrong.

Martyn

I have also heard the same statement that Martyn says about it being a one off.
But since the weekend I don’t believe that it’s true. The latest Bachmann Times has an article about the a slope sided mineral wagons, within it there is a picture and some text about a butterley mineral wagon. I can’t attach the image I have taken as it’s a wrong file type. I will try to rectify and upload.

Keith

No dates but here's what Paul Bartlett has to say..............

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld

Check out also the 'Development' section in Wikipedia......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_wagon

Hi have you researched https://www.rdht.org.uk/butterley-company/codnor-park-works/wagon-works/      maybe  hmrs.org.uk  ?     Wagons should be ok for layouts set in 1950s, 1960s. Maybe have been phased out in the 70s or in industrial use / early preservation societies

Quote from: Crompton Power on February 10, 2021, 07:35:06 PM
I have also heard the same statement that Martyn says about it being a one off.
But since the weekend I don't believe that it's true. The latest Bachmann Times has an article about the a slope sided mineral wagons, within it there is a picture and some text about a butterley mineral wagon. I can't attach the image I have taken as it's a wrong file type. I will try to rectify and upload.

Keith

Managed to upload the picture from the above.
Keith.

The Butterley Steel Company built many hundreds of steel bodied wagons of numerous types including the standard 16 ton BR Diagram 1/108 as per the Farish model.

Quote from: Crompton Power on February 10, 2021, 08:50:32 PM
Managed to upload the picture from the above.
Keith.

They were one of the pioneers of steel bodied wagons and the type illustrated in the article Keith posted is indeed one of their early prototypes from the early 1930s but is not the type PECO modelled.
Numerous builders did produce small trial batches in the early 1950s before the Diagram 1/108 was developed. I believe the PECO example is based on one of these. I'm not certain of the number built; I suspect more than one but not-very-many...

As far as coal goes, the Butterleys were superseded in the late 60s by 'Merry-go-round' (MGR) hoppers so would have been bumped to lesser duties into the 1970s.

Thanks for the replies

So not totally accurate but still based on something close. 

And being used in the correct time period for me 50's & 60's

Thanks

NGM

Quote from: N_GaugeModeller on February 11, 2021, 10:49:07 PM

And being used in the correct time period for me 50's & 60's

Hope so 'cos I run c.1955-1965 and I have 65 of 'em!!

I just use them as 16Te wagons and they were still used in the early eighties for coal/scrap/spoil/sand/etc.  At the price they retail at they make a nice cheap filler for a mixed vax rake. The weathering hides the older style numbering a bit and I can't be bothered putting MCV waterslides on them.

Sorry, just noticed you're using the BW instead of the FW.  Unfitted rake then. 

I don't have any of these but they do seem to be a "good enough " model of a typical steel mineral wagon at a very reasonable price. Made in the UK so that's an extra bonus.

I had a load of them weathered by mk1gtstu of this parish. I bought them years ago from (firstly) The Model Shop, Northampton and then The Signal Box at Rochester so that's how old they are.
Average cost between £2.50 and £4.50 at the time