The 9-cars will require a little additional tooling for the two trailer cars which have inside-bearing bogies, like the Voyager. Personally, I'd like to see the 9-car sets released as a whole, rather than an expansion pack, so the correct set numbers are maintained.

It will be interesting to see what variations the Avanti and First Group sets will bring. The new EMR sets will be very different beasts, with shorter bodies and restyled front ends.

They are the new HST and look how far Dapol have miked their tooling.  This model is going to be around a long time.  I take the same view of the Revolution Mk5 coaches, they will need adjustments but a start has been made.

Quote from: Snowwolflair on December 08, 2020, 03:25:16 PM
they will need adjustments but a start has been bade.

Do you have a cold, David?

Dear Keith @Traintrax have just placed my pre-order for an 800.

Merry Christmas.

Yours excitedly

Alec..........jingle all the way etc. etc. 

Quote from: daffy on December 08, 2020, 01:35:17 PM
Keith at Train Trax email this morning:

"Just announced the release of the Class 800's will be May 2021. This will be a limited run and a further production  run will not take place until 2023."

As others have said elsewhere, a mistake Hornby-Arnold may have made with their Brighton Belle was doing a re-run very quickly, after the first batch sold well, instead of waiting for a couple of years for demand to re-build. 

As a result, the re-run didn't sell very well, thus seemingly putting Hornby off further incursions into UK N, at least for the time being.   Kato seem rather wiser than that. 

Also, not re-running the class 800s for a couple of years doesn't preclude Kato producing another model in the interim...

RT

Quote from: gc4946 on July 27, 2019, 10:32:26 AM
I should say the individual class 800 carriages are 26m long which works out in 1:148 as 175.67 mm.
A nine-car unit would be 1581 mm long ...
then you'll need to allow room for couplings, allowing for that my guess the complete formation would approach 1630 mm.
It would be longer than my Revolution Trains' 9-car Pendolino!

A 9-car unit isn't feasible with my current setup but a 5-car version would suit me fine.
A 1:148 5-car 800 or 802 unit would roughly be the same length as a 2+5 HST which I also own.

Using @gc4946 figures indicates that the 5 car unit expected in May 2021 will measure 900mm in length (give or take just a couple of millimetres). I've tried wading through all the information that I can find but cannot spot anything definitive. I'm anticipating having to lengthen a couple of platforms on my layout. Has anyone seen the exact length published yet?

Alec.

The real things are 26m per coach, 130m for a 5car set.

Cheers, Timmo

Quote from: pape_timmo on December 09, 2020, 04:50:15 PM
The real things are 26m per coach, 130m for a 5car set.

Cheers, Timmo

Translated into 1:148 scale it's 878.3 mm.
Allowing for couplings it'll end up around 895 mm.

For those following this model:

This from hattons:

We have been provided with further news on Kato's forthcoming N gauge model of the Class 800 Bi-Modal Multiple Unit. Early 3D renders have been shown giving you an initial impression as to how the models will look.

Digital capability has been confirmed via a selection of custom decoders. Individual decoders are required for motor and lighting functions and these are available separately or as part of one pack. You can also control interior lighting using individual decoders in each car.

Features include:
Available as 5-car train pack or starter train set
Highly detailed model
Intricate livery application
Directional LED lighting
Unique coupling allows for running units in multiple
Powerful motor with flywheel
Prototypical disc braked wheels with no traction tyres
Digital capability


https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=949&utm_campaign=mar-300-katoclass800decoderupdate&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Klaviyo&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJzY290dHN0aXRjaGVsbEB5YWhvby5jby51ayIsICJrbF9jb21wYW55X2lkIjogIkpHUWVYaCJ9

Best

Scott

Hattons just posted a note on DCC for the 800.

It is the standard Kato DCC offering which is good and bad.

The good part is that the coaches are wired for DCC lights, also the head and tail lights have their own decoders separate from the motor decoder.  They are all clip in.  The downside is the Kato motor decoder is not fantastic.

However it looks as if a better or sound decoder will be able to be wired into the model without too much butchery.  My plan will be to wire a sound decoder at the motor end, coach light decoders in the coaches and a tail light decoder at the other end.  I will need to see how the decoders can be configured to allow the back and front lights to be turned off where these ends are coupled for a 10 car unit.

QuoteI will need to see how the decoders can be configured to allow the back and front lights to be turned off where these ends are coupled for a 10 car unit.

This may be as simple as neodymium magnets in the nose cones of the models and disconnect reed switches in the tail cones.  So when they are coupled the LEDs are disabled.

The email from Hattons, I received states that a five car set will require 8 decoders, one for the motor, 2 for directional lighting and to control the coach lighting if required 5 more. A total of £127.50 for decoders.

Geoff

In such case I'll plumb for a fitting a 21 pin socket.

Quote from: geoffc on December 10, 2020, 11:52:59 AM
The email from Hattons, I received states that a five car set will require 8 decoders, one for the motor, 2 for directional lighting and to control the coach lighting if required 5 more. A total of £127.50 for decoders.

Geoff

So every car has a socket, and driving / motor cars have two sockets (with the motor decoder socket being different)?

Why do they do this and not use one of the industry-standard designs such as Next-18?

Quote from: davidinyork on December 10, 2020, 12:47:28 PM

Quote from: geoffc on December 10, 2020, 11:52:59 AM
The email from Hattons, I received states that a five car set will require 8 decoders, one for the motor, 2 for directional lighting and to control the coach lighting if required 5 more. A total of £127.50 for decoders.

Geoff

So every car has a socket, and driving / motor cars have two sockets (with the motor decoder socket being different)?

Why do they do this and not use one of the industry-standard designs such as Next-18?

They are clip in PCBs not socketed decoders.  The motor decoder for instance simply slips between two phosphor bronze wipers.