I know everyone is very excited by their new Class 17's, but dont miss put on this little gem!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Gauge-Kit-Built-Class-17-Diesel-Loco-8568-Blue-on-a-Kato-Chassis/283988964700?hash=item421f0fb55c:g:ucsAAOSwZzNfQ9Wq

The seller seems a little selective on where he'll mail to:

*** I do not post to Russia or the Ukraine or Thailand or the Middle East or Africa. ***

Uzbekistan gets the OK, and Laos is on the "approved nations" list, but not the Ukraine or Thailand? And an entire continent is off-limits? Seems a little selective xenophobia going on here!

Quote from: LASteve on August 25, 2020, 02:10:44 AM
The seller seems a little selective on where he'll mail to:

*** I do not post to Russia or the Ukraine or Thailand or the Middle East or Africa. ***

Uzbekistan gets the OK, and Laos is on the "approved nations" list, but not the Ukraine or Thailand? And an entire continent is off-limits? Seems a little selective xenophobia going on here!

It's Common practice... A lot of sellers limit where they will send to. Mostly it's due to the efficacy of the local postal services; the propensity for items to be "lost" in transit and how much of the journey insurance cover actually applies for...

Quote from: LASteve on August 25, 2020, 02:10:44 AM
The seller seems a little selective on where he'll mail to:

*** I do not post to Russia or the Ukraine or Thailand or the Middle East or Africa. ***

Uzbekistan gets the OK, and Laos is on the "approved nations" list, but not the Ukraine or Thailand? And an entire continent is off-limits? Seems a little selective xenophobia going on here!

Or he is just fed up with parcels being lost or stolen, many will not post to Africa the continent because of the very high levels of fraud in some African Countries.

It's best to be safe than sorry

We're off on a tangent here. I was really only commenting that there's nothing on the Class 17 front, and then suddenly they're popping out of the woodwork left, right and centre.

I didn't actually think the original item in the link was too bad for a kit. I personally feel for anyone that's put a lot of time and effort in to create something unique that few others have only for everyone to have access to one. Having spent considerable hours making some of my wagons it would feel like someone had stolen my thunder a bit.

Quote from: emjaybee on August 25, 2020, 09:07:59 AM
Having spent considerable hours making some of my wagons it would feel like someone had stolen my thunder a bit.

Hi

It's not a pleasant feeling the first time it happens but you get used to it. I had just finished the first of my scratch built pair of telescopic steel hood wagons when Dapol announced theirs. It took me a long while to get the enthusiasm to finished the second one but I eventually did. Now I just think ah well I've had the pleasure of building mine.

Cheers

Paul

I'm still tempted to get my Kato what ever it is painted green and pretend it's a Class 17 

Quote from: PaulCheffus on August 25, 2020, 10:32:21 AM

Quote from: emjaybee on August 25, 2020, 09:07:59 AM
Having spent considerable hours making some of my wagons it would feel like someone had stolen my thunder a bit.

Hi

It's not a pleasant feeling the first time it happens but you get used to it. I had just finished the first of my scratch built pair of telescopic steel hood wagons when Dapol announced theirs. It took me a long while to get the enthusiasm to finished the second one but I eventually did. Now I just think ah well I've had the pleasure of building mine.

Cheers

Paul

To be fair, you're probably spot on there. I can 'vanish' for hours in a kit bash and I get both a buzz when I've finished it as well as getting a bit despondent because its finished. I suppose that's why I built one 40t bogie hopper, which was a complete bugger, then found the urge to build another three. I now find I'm compiling bits to build another four. I've run the first four round a few times, then packed them away heaven knows where.

I also get a buzz when I've got my hands on a new RTR that I've always wanted, but I find it passes quite quickly.

I guess that proves the old 'it's not the destination, but the journey', adage.

The journey to get to the EFE Clayton has been quite something.

I think what we have got is an unimproved body (headcode box too small, roof ridge too thick) and improved chassis (Next 18 chip) compared to the DJM original design, with ex Dapol design cues, made in the Dapol factory (bring on the grease), bankrolled by Kernow, weathered samples based on Mercig originals, and marketed by Farish.

That's pretty much everyone but Peco, Revolution - except they looked at it and thought this would come with a lot of history with it, and Hattons, who took a hit bankrolling a King Special and who also probably bailed out.

Dont think Kernow mind. They had a good relationship with DJM designs for them, until that relationship soured. They took a hit acting as a bank for DJM's OO class 74 (which I believe also exists as a set of dies somewhere - and I really do hope that that can come to fruition too).

Do I like my EFE 17s?  A resounding YES. It looks more like a 17 than the kit version, and the weathered paintwork is just fab.
And I would not have made one as it doesn't fit into my region at all.

Bob

Quote from: Bob G on August 25, 2020, 11:39:44 AM
The journey to get to the EFE Clayton has been quite something.

I think what we have got is an unimproved body (headcode box too small, roof ridge too thick) and improved chassis (Next 18 chip) compared to the DJM original design, with ex Dapol design cues, made in the Dapol factory (bring on the grease), bankrolled by Kernow, weathered samples based on Mercig originals, and marketed by Farish.

That's pretty much everyone but Peco, Revolution - except they looked at it and thought this would come with a lot of history with it, and Hattons, who took a hit bankrolling a King Special and who also probably bailed out.

Dont think Kernow mind. They had a good relationship with DJM designs for them, until that relationship soured. They took a hit acting as a bank for DJM's OO class 74 (which I believe also exists as a set of dies somewhere - and I really do hope that that can come to fruition too).

Do I like my EFE 17s?  A resounding YES. It looks more like a 17 than the kit version, and the weathered paintwork is just fab.
And I would not have made one as it doesn't fit into my region at all.

Bob

Hi Bob

A correction, the 17s are absolutely not marketed by Farish, they have had no part in this product at all.

These models and the Mermaids to follow, both formerly DJM produced via Kernow are marketed using the "EFE Rail" branding as a way to bring to market these and other non-Kader products.

There certainly do appear to be design similarities to Dapol models in the Class 17, but as far as I know it is currently no more than speculation that they originate from the same factory.

Regards

Roy

Quote from: Bob G on August 25, 2020, 11:39:44 AM
The journey to get to the EFE Clayton has been quite something.

I think what we have got is an unimproved body (headcode box too small, roof ridge too thick) and improved chassis (Next 18 chip) compared to the DJM original design, with ex Dapol design cues, made in the Dapol factory (bring on the grease), bankrolled by Kernow, weathered samples based on Mercig originals, and marketed by Farish.

That's pretty much everyone but Peco, Revolution - except they looked at it and thought this would come with a lot of history with it, and Hattons, who took a hit bankrolling a King Special and who also probably bailed out.

Dont think Kernow mind. They had a good relationship with DJM designs for them, until that relationship soured. They took a hit acting as a bank for DJM's OO class 74 (which I believe also exists as a set of dies somewhere - and I really do hope that that can come to fruition too).

Do I like my EFE 17s?  A resounding YES. It looks more like a 17 than the kit version, and the weathered paintwork is just fab.
And I would not have made one as it doesn't fit into my region at all.

Bob

Not bankrolled by Kernow either, supported by / helped by Kernow. The tooling is owned by the factory and designed with support over time by DJM, RevolutioN (atleast I hope someone listen to their feedback) and Kernow IMHO. Production run and marketing paid for by EFE Rail as I understand it.

Why dont I just keep my gob shut rather than let others correct me. I dont want to be corrected every other post I make on this forum.

For Farish read the Bachmann family. I know all about why EFE Rail is being used as a brand. In fact I was one of the first to explain it.
And why would the factory put Kernow on the Chassis if Kernow had not taken ownership of the dies?

We are all entitled to opinions but please don't use IMHO like you really know better.

Quote from: Bob G on August 25, 2020, 12:25:46 PM
Why dont I just keep my gob shut rather than let others correct me. I dont want to be corrected every other post I make on this forum.

For Farish read the Bachmann family. I know all about why EFE Rail is being used as a brand. In fact I was one of the first to explain it.
And why would the factory put Kernow on the Chassis if Kernow had not taken ownership of the dies?

We are all entitled to opinions but please don't use IMHO like you really know better.

Hi Bob

I don't think it is unreasonable to correct someone if what they say is factually inaccurate.

In my case this was the case as was clearly explained at the EFE Rail (nor just EFE) launch. Farish is a vehicle through which ground up new N designs manufactured by Kader under that brand are marketed so to say EFE is "marketed by Farish" is simply not correct in any way shape or form.

Also, it is at this point speculation that design similarities point to the same factory Dapol use, it has not been confirmed as fact.

What doesn't seem in doubt is that Kernow have been significantly involved in bringing these models to market and their name embossed on the bottom appears to endorse this albeit doesn't confirm who funded what. It is interesting to note in this respect that Bachmann Europe PLC is underwriting the warranty according to the leaflet provided with the loco.

Regards

Roy

OK I was incorrect to say Farish when I should have said Bachmann/EFE Rail. And that's fully understood.

But what's wrong with opinion or a personal viewpoint? Is it any better or worse than your opinion. Why is yours any better?

I've helped more people on the NGS helpline than anyone has helped on here just by correcting other people's posts and pointing out they are wrong. That's just one-upmanship. Pure and simple.

This is supposed to be a friendly forum.
My post was just a throwaway comment that every man and his wife seemed to have a hand in the production of the Clayton.
But oh no.
Lets not dwell on that thought when we can make the thread run and run correcting a sentence and stating another opinion as fact.

Anyone else struggling to decide who to address as "pot" and who to call "kettle" in the last few posts...