still feel RAF rules,

see 1:06 on this, C-130s from Brize, well the penny counters sold their real home, Lyneham, down and dirty showing how to fly the loop, no nice clouds / sky backgrounds here 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB4HVn6Rnmk

lets not forget, these are HGVs, not sports cars like the F-15s 

not sure if the Ospreys are USAF or USMC, but either way they seem ready to get in there, unlike the 'so called' top guns 

amazing how the USAF a/c that actually get down and dirty seem to be the C-130s/ MC130s / C17s, while the 'elite' units pose against the clouds 

or am I being bitchy 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT7qrYi8R_M

caution, those of a delicate disposition may need a brown paper bag

amazed at the sheep ....

whether it's a RAF Chinook at 150ft, a RAF Tornado at 250 ft, a RAF / USAF C-130 /C-17 or RAF A-400 at 350 ft, or  USAF F-15 AT 5.000ft ......

they just keep munching 

Typhoons of the mighty 29 (XXXX) Squadron again!

Quote from: RailGooner on November 02, 2019, 04:38:24 PM
Typhoons of the mighty 29 (XXXX) Squadron again!

Sorry who? 

And for the benefit of @class37025 I can assure you the airmanship of RAF crews is far and above any other air force, I think you will find that your premise of "bet most of the RAF a/c had warnings screaming "pull up, pull up, low altitude" while most of the yanks were being reminded to check they were on oxygen due to high altitude" is because our engineers serviced the aircraft properly to ensure all systems were at 100% thus reducing the likelihood of the growbag bringing it back bent 

growbag 

let us put all this squadron rivalry to bed once and for all.

when I was at Brize, in the '70s, we had Brits and Belfasts, 511 and 53, if my memory serves correctly, who did all the real work, plus 10 sdn with their VC10s.

it was a widely known fact that .....

in the begining, on day 1, the lord created 10 sdn,
then, on the second day he gave them shiny VC10s to only carry people, no grubby freight which was left to lower beings,
then, on the third day he gave them smart uniforms to wear, no need for them to wear flying overalls like lesser beings,
and the finally on the fourth day he created the world, to give them somewhere to fly their shiny clean aeroplanes

at least, they seemed to believe it 

heading for my shelter now before the war starts , here doggie 

Quote from: class37025 on November 02, 2019, 04:35:31 PM
amazed at the sheep ....
...

Amazed that the A487 at Machynlleth doesn't have more pile-ups!

must be disconcerting to glance in your rear view mirror and see a C-130 or A-400 behind you, or glance out of your side window to see a GR.4 or Typhoon alongside, but probably the main risk of an accident is trying to look up through the sunroof to see the F-15 thousands of feet above you 

not at the mach loop, but derwent,

included for @Lawrence


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olg3Md79Ntc

LUCKILY, NO DELUGE 

and


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4H_6_tp42Y

Quote from: class37025 on November 02, 2019, 08:26:13 PM
not at the mach loop, but derwent,

included for @Lawrence


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olg3Md79Ntc

LUCKILY, NO DELUGE 

Remember watching that, couldn't help thinking, how did they miss?

re Growbags, pilots in zip up flying suits e.g an easy to open green bag full of horse ****

Squadron rivalry, wots that then  I'm too long in the teeth for nicking gizzits now anyway

Quote from: class37025 on November 02, 2019, 03:32:35 PM
not sure if the Ospreys are USAF or USMC, but either way they seem ready to get in there, unlike the 'so called' top guns 

amazing how the USAF a/c that actually get down and dirty seem to be the C-130s/ MC130s / C17s, while the 'elite' units pose against the clouds 

Not so much the C17s but the C-130s / MC130s and V-22 all come from RAF Mildenhall and as are 2 squadrons of Pavehawk helicopters, they for the Air arm of the US Special forces Europe (It's publicly available so I can say it  ) They normally fly at extreme low level specially the Pavehawks, who in addition to flying special forces operations form "Pedro" callsigns. Pedro was the callsign used for Combat Search and Rescue in Helmand.
Sadly I have had to call them in to casevac in real life on multiple occasions but I can honestly say these guys are amazing not only are they great aviators (No surprise they are the cream of the crop of the USAF helicopter pilots) but honestly these guys will move heaven to help you out in a tight spot, and I had the chance to go on a "training exercise" a.k.a Jolly with them a few years ago and boy they really know how to fly!

As for the F15s not flying that low there is a logic to it! Even with modern radars the ground scatter will still hide you even at the altitudes they were at, but more importantly its the use of guided munitions. If you harp back to the first gulf war the RAF flew in low and fast with cluster munitions to crater runways, this mean't extreme low level (I believe the attack runs for them was about 100ft!) But with the accuracy of modern weapons there the increased altitude is needed to allow the weapons to pick up the target (either through laser or improved GPS signal), the arming distance of the weapons been higher allows longer times of flight thus giving more time for the warheads to arm and then finally as found in the first gulf war by the RAF if you attack at extreme low level you are prone to accurate ground fire from even small arms which is mitigated by the increased altitude.

Have done the Mach Loop on my MS Flight Sim. Calls for some serious handling of the sticks and pedals. Sadly, it's the closest I'll ever get but at least I have SOME idea of what it would be like. Respect from me to the real jocks.

I love nap-of-the-earth canyon runs and can gladly say I've simmed the Grand Canyon and The Zambezi River from Lake Kariba to Lake Victoria. There is a HUGE amount of focus and concentration to do those. To do them for real would be a tad scary methinks!